Which of the following cases should be granted an abortion

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Which of the following cases should be granted an abortion

  1. 26 year old 17 weeks pregnant with a partial miscarriage - foetus retained has heartbea

    16 vote(s)
    94.1%
  2. 11 year year old pregnant by grandmothers boyfriend 20 weeks pregnant

    16 vote(s)
    94.1%
  3. Mother of four 2 disabled children husband lost his job 8 weeks pregnant

    16 vote(s)
    94.1%
  4. 17 year old homeless girl 10 weeks pregnant

    16 vote(s)
    94.1%
  5. A 36 year old woman 28 weeks pregnant foetus diagnosed with anencephaly

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    No, once again let us talk “circle of control”. Many women living in poverty have limited education and even greater limitations on access to LARCS - especially in the USA. Less so here, They are often more vulernable falling prey to men who will dominate - not enough to call it abuse but definitely not in the locus of control.

    Let’s us step back and use the lens of a greater societal impact. In Victoria, yes Victoria Australia illegal abortions were provided by organised crime and the corruption surrounding it reached to the top

    https://shop.nfsa.gov.au/abortion-corruption-and-cops-the-bertram-wainer-st

    Proving that no matter what laws and restrictions you put around abortion women will seek them even knowing the peril they put themselves in
     
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    And yet when it was illegal you had massive numbers of backyard abortions occurring

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    https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2003/03/lessons-roe-will-past-be-prologue
     
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  3. GrayMan

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    Assistance for adoption and care was severely limited without access to the internet, social networking, and institutions that we have today. As of today, every new born is adopted. There is no reason for a mother to abort a living child with a functioning brain capable of thoughts and feelings. If they want to abort a clump of cells, that's a different matter.
     
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    Okay so let us relook at the scenarios above

    q. Was Savita Halappanavar she was a young dentist in Ireland would had a partial abortion because they thought they detected a heartbeat she was denied an abortion and she died a few days later of sepsis - it is doubtful the foetus would have ever survived. The second case should also be a no brainer since it involves an eleven year old - also a true story - and they LIED to her continuing the pregnancy until she developed pre eclampsia and required emergency Caesar - the baby died anyway. Both those instances caused the legislation around abortion to be changed in their home countries. Three and four were a reflection on the statistics that a majority of women seeking abortion live below the poverty line.

    Now adoption - there is always too many babies awaiting adoption who are “drug exposed” babies or special needs babies. The perfect little Gerber baby runs off the shelf but they are not always the ones being “saved” from abortion. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16154468/
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    Are there over half a million new families each year looking to adopt?
     
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    The two exceptions I provided were if it's a clump of cells without a brain or is a recognizable danger to the health of the mother.

    Neither your first example nor your statistics on the number of abortions take into account the exception I provided. Abortion would be possible early in development which is when a vast mojarity of abortions occur anyways.
     
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    That is true but it is becoming increasingly restricted even in those first weeks.
     
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    All abortion is 100% unsafe for the child involved.
     
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    No, there's no "fault" in the matter as if she did something wrong.

    That would be like saying if someone got cancer it's their 'fault"...No, they're just human.


    "Blame", "fault"...such Puritanical terms ...all meant to denigrate women and make them ashamed of being human and female....

    No "blame, no "fault" just responsibility... NONE of which is YOURS.
     
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    Good thing there is no "child" involved in abortion.


    Unless it's a 12 year old who was impregnated by her father and SHE needs an abortion....would you deny her that?
     
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    No, people on the left do not forget that adoption is an option.

    But people on the right forget that women have rights and have the right to CHOOSE either abortion or gestation and adoption.

    Adoption is an option ONLY if the woman wants to go through 9 months of pregnancy with it's ensuing pain, physical damage, financial loss and career and education setbacks.




    No, if abortion remains legal they won't be.


    EVERY pregnancy carries the risk of death and all cause permanent and temporary damage to a woman's body ...and pain.
     
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    I never did say that.

    You claimed I did but that, like so many of your other claims, was entirely in your imagination.


    What can't you get about "it is up to them to decide if it's wanted or unwanted".....
     
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    So you would deny all those women an abortion?
     
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    So you would deny all those women an abortion?

    Would you allow yourself an abortion if YOU were in any of those situations?
     
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    Some people have real problems with the American language.
     
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    I have no interest in committing suicide. If someone is thinking of committing suicide, I suggest:

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    Maybe you can explain why you have trouble with : So you would deny all those women an abortion?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Would you allow yourself an abortion if YOU were in any of those situations?

    What has that got to do with my post or abortion ??...

    Some people have trouble with English.
     
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    I’ve already answered the question several times. Some people just can’t read.
     
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    And some seem to not be able to write...maybe they have no point ???
     
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    Of course there wasn't a point. I was just answering an opinion poll which did not allow me to cast my vote.
     
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    OH! Gee, I thought this forum was for discussion!!! See, that's what people do in here.....:roll:
     

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