Which Party will Trump's impeachment help or hurt in Congressional elections?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Clearly, until the inquiry has exposed the relevant facts, it's impossible to predict the electoral ramifications, and so wishful thinking fills that void, but there will be electoral ramifications.
     
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    Trump isn't going to be removed from office, so it is obviously going to hurt the Democrats.

    Especially when a Senate trial will have to include due process testimony from both sides.

    The whole dog and pony show will be televised on C-Span so there will be no opportunity for the regular, in the tank, media to selectively control where it all goes.

    Pelosi mortgaged the farm without having any seed stock for the future.
     
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    And that is why the impeachment will never get out of inquiry stage where the Democrats have better odds of controlling the narrative. imho. Impeachment will only be used as a campaign strategy, but it has already sacrificed Joe Biden.
     
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    Get on with it cowards. Let's get that in front of the Senate where Republicans can call everyone they want from the Obama admin and rake them over the coals to expose their criminal acts, watch the dems try to protect them. Get good old Hunter up there and have him explain just what his qualifications were for that 50k a month job. Get senile creepy Joe up there and watch him tie himself in to knots.
    You want to guarantee Trumps reelection then have at it.

    Meanwhile the dems have the house and what have they done for America? I'm sorry is that an unfair question perhaps?
     
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    On the other hand, there is reality to consider.

    The ship is ready to abandon the sinking rat.



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    It helps the Repubs to have Trump removed. Just not now. If they acquit now it'll be obvious party line politics on both sides and that hurts the Repubs more. If they convict, 1 of the faux Primary canadates ends up on the ballot and the Dems (running serious people) walk away with the election. But if they can hold out until after the Primary, a whole new world of opportunities open up with Pence as President and the 2020 nominee.

    The Repubs want this impeachment just as much as the Dems, just not yet.
     
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    The democrats know with the lineup of far left candidates seeking them nomination they couldnt win in 2020, this entire non stop attack on trump since his campaign is to make the country weary of all the bickering and hopefully turn on trump, it hasnt worked. Democrat politicians and the media have lied so much and have been caught so often that their strategy hasnt worked.

    This impeachment is designed to thow trump off his game and hopefully boost their chances in 2020

    The only honest polling is each parties internal polls, they dont word question to get a one sided result, they actually try and get the truth, Their internal polls are telling the democrats the truth
     
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    if Pelosi's investigation uncovers clear cut proof of significant wrong doing on trumps part the senate will convict and offer the proper punishment and it will be bad for republicans( at least the president)

    Anything other than that will be bad for democrats.

    worst case for the democrats is that Pelosi is just using this inquiry as a fishing expedition that goes on for months. That will really turn off voters, I think.
    On the other hand if Trump views himself as an innocent victim then he needs to shut his trap and let the truth will out.
     
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    The conventional wisdom, based on the Clinton impeachment, is that an actual impeachment, in which Trump has a trial in the Senate, the Senate votes, and acquits him, is bad for the Democrats. I'm skeptical of that. During the Clinton impeachment, the media was totally behind Clinton and generated plenty of "why lying can be good" articles, and tried to pretend that the impeachment was really about sex instead of a felony of lying before the Grand Jury.

    So Clinton's impeachment hurt the Republicans more. With Trump, the media will be full bore in favor of removing Trump, so that advantage is gone. However my gut feeling is that impeachment will harden Trump support in the GOP. That may not be enough to make much electoral difference in 2020 though.
     
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    Revealing the truth that some are desperate to conceal is of undeniable value, regardless of partisan, political exigencies.

    Might Republicans in the Senate vote the party line no matter what is exposed?

    Of course.

    “Republicans ought not to be rushing to circle the wagons and say there’s
    no there there when there’s obviously a lot that’s very troubling there.”

    Senator Ben Sasse (R)
     
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    An advantage for Democrats in the impeachment process is that Trump gets even wilder under pressure. The more evidence that mounts, the more Trump says or does something extreme that adds to the list of impeachable offenses.
     
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    The basic argument against impeachment was to let the voters decide but that presupposes that Trump will leave the election process alone, and let us have a free and fair election. These charges once again put that notion in doubt. I think regardless of what the Senate does, most voters will see this matter very differently from perjury on a civil deposition about a mmaterial fact (sex with an intern) in a civilsuit regarding possible sexual harassment as a governor. Whether they support impeachment by then or not, I think they will largely forgive Dems considering the subject matter is virtually the same as it was with Putin and his interference.
     
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    If they get it done quickly and produce solid evidence of wrongdoing by Trump, they he goes on a big crazy tangent, then the gutless GOP Senate and Moscow Mitch squelch it and aquit immediately, it will help the Dems in both the Senate and the house along with Trump getting his ass kicked in November.
     
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    Regardless. Dems are trying to protect the voters and the system from a 2016 redo of Putin, Wikileaks and the smear Hillary campaign that Trump benefited from. Moscow Mitch and his yeloowbelly gang look like they don't care about the purity of the 2020 elections from foreign influence, and like they will protect Trump's backside no matter how he compromises this process.
     
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    I agree and I think if whoever becomes the nominee can drive the point home, it will help whoever is running against a Trump ass licker in any close Senate or House race will benefit.
     
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    While I don't think we will get far with the republican base, or the senate, I think moderates and independents will be very forgiving at the very least of our efforts. Even if voters disagree with a vote to impeach, they will be conflicted. We won't get punished and Congressmen and women like Collins in purple areas will be hard pressed by this vote.
     
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    I think Trump has already collected as many suckers as he’s going to get. He’s not the kind of guy who will be able to garner much sympathy for being picked on as a result of his arrogant and whiney nature. And he will no doubt be in full meltdown mode if he gets impeached by congress and will go on rants every chance he gets via tweet or live. Many people are bound to be very concerned regarding his mental stability and unless the Democrats nominate a raving lunatic, that could also work in their favor. I think impeachment is a win win proposition for the Dems.
     
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    Donald can be triggered to look like a fixated whack-job, whenever Pelosi decides to trigger him with some new revelation or tactic on the impeachment front. That's got to be useful in a campaign season. Donald simply has no sense of discipline in his approach to anything he perceives as an attack or criticism. He will lash out, and look like a bully, or a spoiled brat, or a desperate man on the ropes. He will not look presidential.

    Dems don't even have to schedule anything for a floor vote to get benefit from this.
     
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    BS the Democrats are just trying to win in 2020 by tearing trump down they don't give a rip about election integrity.
    Facebook adds didn't affect the election.
    Trump won fair and square.
     
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    His tirades thrill his hard core supporters and they hang on and even repeat his every thought. However the more unhinged he becomes the more it will hurt him with independent swing voters that he will need in the suburbs in Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Those are states he won by very slim margins in 2016. Unless the Dems nominate a raving lunatic like him, I think they will have a slight advantage in the election.
     
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    Our message is that we are obliged to look into whether his behavior meets the impeachment standard, and we must be prepared in case we cannot protect the 2020 election process without impeaching him. We want your vote to matter more than Putin's or some other dictator's. Their message is that he has done nothing wrong. Its all a witch hunt and Biden did it worse.

    I know which story I want to go into the general election with.
     
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    The Democrats really should run a very integrity filled election campaign like Trump and the GOP did back in 2016. The GOP investigated Hillary Clinton for years leading up to it, then Trump, classy gentleman that he is paraded around the country riling up his raving band of lunatics by leading them in chants to lock up his opponent. The Democrats really should try to run a campaign like that if they want to win. Congress seems to be following the GOP trend in busting their opponent balls with endless investigations, so that’s a good start. This one should be a real barn burner!
     
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    What you are trying to sell to the American voter, is the idea that our candidates should be lobbying foreign governments, not only to uncover dirty laundry for one or the other candidate, but to dirty some laundry, then hang it all over the place for one candidate or another. Each country democratic or despot, can pick one of our two nominees, and help develop a smear campaign for the candidate that promises them the most in foreign aid, military hardware, or votes in the UN, or whatever. That is the logical outcome of this new twist on traditional dirty tactics of Trumps. Trump took the entire Mueller report as some mild suggestion of needed improvement, or subtle hint of displeasure. The Dems are uniformly against this trend and the Dems intend to stop Trump from engaging in this practice, even if it requires an impeachment vote.

    Now either you are for Trump soliciting help from foreign governments to defeat his opponents, or you oppose him doing so. If you oppose him continuing down this path, you have to figure out how to stop him BEFORE 2020 gets further tainted by suspicion, because nobody else has the tools to make it clear to him, except the United States House of Representatives.

    Just in case you don't have a better plan, Pelosi is going start an impeachment probe.
     
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    We'll see lots of things during this election, but i don't think class will be one of them..
     
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