Nearly. We know the Libs have the numbers to form a government, but we don't know if it will have a majority of one, two, three or four. What does everyone think is going to happen? Here's a mate's prediction: Ipee Further says: The Libs and the Labs will compete over who's border protection is toughest. Here's mine: 1. Malcolm will continue wearing that orange tie. 2. Newstart won't go up and we'll keep hearing about dole bludgers. 3. There won't be a Royal Commission into banking. 4. We'll hear about jobs created, but we won't hear 80% of them are casual, offer so few hours the lucky recipient is still looking for work and receiving partial Newstart and it's a temporary contract thingy for 12 months. 5. Young people working at Coles, Woollies and Macca's will now be paid interns on $4 an hour or unpaid interns on no $ an hour. They will learn professionalism and we will support struggling small businesses to give a kid a go. This will go a long way to address the 29%* of 15 to 24 year olds who have too much time and not enough motivation to get off Facebook, switch off the playstation and get a job like we did. They expect it all to be handed to them - bloody Me Generation. Wouldn't work in an iron lung. And their manners! And the language! * 29%. 12.9% of 15 to 24 year olds are unemployed, 16.1% are underemployed. ABS. 2015.
My 17yo grandson gets up at 4am to go to work as an apprentice refrigeration mechanic.... His 21yo brother is a soil analyst and just got back from trips to Japan, Cambodia and Germany... Not all young people are as you paint them...
I know. I was being sarcastic. Just goes to show how often we've both heard that BS I wrote, doesn't it? I'm at the stage that I'll bite the next person who mouths it because MOST YOUNG PEOPLE ARE THOROUGHLY DECENT AND WANT A JOB, TO FALL IN LOVE, GET MARRIED, BUY A HOUSE AND RAISE CHILDREN, JUST LIKE WE DID! FOR GOD'S SAKE, PEOPLE! FIGHT FOR OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS! 29% HAVEN'T GOT ENOUGH WORK OR ANY AT ALL. ARE YOU GOING TO LET IT GET TO 60% BEFORE YOU REJECT THE IDEA THAT THE MARKET WILL FIX EVERYTHING?
Yeah, yeah... Maybe he will but I do believe after the dismal effort in the last election, there will be some major changes... AND not all for the best of the people. Well, the welfare system is the worst in the world and is completely unsustainable. Nobody who works for a living should need welfare to survive and nobody should expect welfare to provide them with a lifestyle. Might be strange to your mind but many of us in the real world do believe that money is not abundant and it is necessary to get return for outlay. Sorry to say with the many who graft the system with little to no effort to eradicate such theft yes you will hear more about those dole bludgers. Either get with the conversation or get left behind by making the issue a political football. What do you expect to happen??? Complained about Royal Commission into criminal behaviour of Unions due to the activities made public by the ABC and known underlying issues. What did it achieve??? Not much, couple more charged with stand over intimidation. So spend another hundred or so million (ignoring the fact there is considerable debt in issue) to run a commission into an industry which will result in exactly "NOTHING". I think the best example of changing banking industry is by public opinion. If you look to the John Laws radio penalties you will notice it was because the banking industry paid them to change their mind, demonstrating public opinion was working. Rather critical without any support for such. Well, it does not matter what party is in play here BOTH like to juggle the figures to suite their agenda while the people they are pretending to represent are forgotten... Perhaps you should look to the party who introduced such policy before complaining about the outcome. Interesting how short memories are... Complaining of under employment??? What percentage is this? Is that 29% of the 15 to 24 year olds??? OR 29% of the unemployed or under employed??? As far as I can see, this is simply another person pointing out statistics and manipulating them to support their opinion... All in all, the coalition has gained another 3 years to demonstrate they can run the economy. Interesting enough, stability does not appear to be looking to good at present but perhaps the mudflap will actually get of his back side and do something now. The swami git needs to actually demonstrate he is interested in trying to represent Australia, not just demonstrate how shallow the majority are.
I've hitched my star to the Australian Employment Party. I have no time for any of the three parties in Australian politics. I told you that 45 minutes ago in your "Shorten??? No." Thread. And you're right: I manipulated the ABS figures to get my 29% of 15 to 24 year olds with too much time on their hands ( ie, unemployed or underemployed ). 12.9 + 16.1 = 29. No. Hang on. That's not manipulation that primary school maths!
Yes it is Primary school maths to write a figure and pretend it is fact. Again what is the 29% of??? Is it people aged from 15 to 24 year olds??? Is it 29% of the unemployed And UNDER employed??? Is it 29% of the populations??? If it was primary school maths one would think you could get your answer from your primary school student rather than trying to be obtuse... As for the unemployment party... perhaps you could actually talk about them rather than simply posting a link to their web page and expecting everybody should go there and follow them... personally while Australia accepts the politicians are allowed without accountability to jeopardise Australia interests and economy for their own agenda, I do not believe any party is worth following...
Please reread OP. If you don't understand "...15 to 24 year olds who have too much time..." I'm not sure what to suggest: perhaps some episodes of "Monty Python's Flying Circus"?
So what is the answer??? Just because somebody states these are real figures provided does make it so. First you have to have some credibility to even consider it. Fact of the matter if you cannot even provide the most basic answer to the question of what the figures are based means you are just parroting somebody elses claim and pretending it to be fact. It would seem the twisting has begun, "re-read the OP" which clarifies the statistics (it does not) next it will be direct insult because of inability to provide the most basic of claims of the OP. So yes, maybe it is the Monty Pythons Ministry of Arguments because it surely is not a discussion of relevant facts
From my original post: "* 29%. 12.9% of 15 to 24 year olds are unemployed, 16.1% are underemployed. ABS. 2015." Note Garry. The figures come from the ABS in 2015. I quoted the ABS. If you dispute them, take it up with the ABS. Your insistence that I've created figures says more about you and your attitude to other forum readers than it does about me. As does ". First you have to have some credibility to even consider it.". Personal attacks get you where you want to go often, Garry? I sourced my figures. I'm sorry you distrust the ABS. I'm sorry you see the practice of sourcing information - fundamental to any fact based writing - as "parroting". It explains why all your posts are opinion without sources.
So 29% of what??? Let us step this out Is that 29% of all 15 to 24yr olds??? Is that 29% of all unemployed or under employed??? Is that 29% of 15 to 24yr olds who are employed or unemployed??? OR is that 29% or all unemployed and under employed??? No, you did not quote the ABS. you are just saying that was an ABS figure. So again all it appears you are doing is parroting others... Yes it does, it states I do not believe you because you cannot even tell us the basis of what the figure stands for. The fact you claim you are quoting ABS figures without actually referencing them demonstrates such... Again, you CLAIM to source them yet provide no source. So when you say “fundamental to any fact based writing” you are really trying to say “ALL should believe what you say is fact, because you are saying it is so”. Sorry to say, for this to be even vaguely true, you need some basis of credibility, to which you show none. So with the fact you are persisting in attacking rather than answering yes, all you are doing is parroting Perhaps you should work out the difference between opinion and fact; apparently you think they are the same. HOWEVER YOU, are making the claim, it is YOUR responsibility to support it with source. So far it is pure and simply your word which considering you lace it with insult means NOTHING.
Oh dear what is the matter??? Cannot support your claims so out you come with insult??? Desperation extreme
To quote another forum user's reply to you on another thread- a thread the user started: "Hey...Im done...Ive seen others on this forum argue with you to no avail...." As for insults, you've accused me of dishonesty several times in this thread and you have attacked me and others personally on other threads. I could make it my mission to go back to your recent posts and copy and post all attacks you've made on people, but I'll confine myself to one: "Again, do you believe in a capitalist system or a communist system???" That was your response to someone's suggestion Glass-Steagall type legislation might be a good idea. Hardly inciting workers to rise up and overthrow the capitalists. A quick glance at your recent posts did show that of 23 posts, 9 of them were attacks on me. Almost half. Are you stalking me, Garry? I must tell you I'm not interested in continuing the relationship any further. Bye.
Perhaps you should reference that poster, but hey if you cannot think of your own insults then other will do. If you are insulted by not supporting your own claims then that is your issue. You made them so perhaps you should understand them and even support them. If you consider that when people disagree with you they are insulting you, then I have to ask” what are you doing on a political forum???” The fact is you began with insult; apparently you cannot take what you dish out... Isn't that funny??? You believe a question is an insult... Go back, don’t go back. I can guarantee every time, I am not the instigator of insults but I am the finisher. Don’t like it, (or be insulted) don’t start it. Again, comprehension does not seem to be something you are good at. Again that is a question; apparently if you disagree you are insulted. PC gone mad… Stalking YOU??? From the first I stated my opinion (which is obviously disagrees with you) so you are insulted, since I have simply responded to YOUR retorts with questions and explanations. If all you want is ‘like minded’ responses then perhaps facebook would be more suited to you. BUT if all you have is “agree with you or you are insulted” I would suggest this stage is too big for you. As it is YOU who responded to my posts, I do believe if you wish to discuss “stalking” a mirror would be far more relevant than your reflection on others. You make claims and cannot back them, so the victim...
Mate give up, don't keep throwing him bait. You hit the nail on the head. Only 1% of his brain works I think, that's 1% of his entire brain, both hemispheres, including the brain stem and cerebellum just to clear up any ambiguities. Once he even thinks you have glimpsed to the left in a dream he will hunt you down. wait wait waait.... lol
Lol! Thanks. I had- that last post was my last attempt to communicate with him. He's just not worth my time. I so won't miss "???": he really should get his keyboard seen to. My ease of access onscreen keyboard stutters like that and it drives me mad. I wonder how Garry stands it?
I have been busy for a while and don't seem to know you, but I like what I have read. No I am not that way either. I have the extreme pleasure and good fortune to be the carer for my 100 year old father. He can hardly get around, is prone to heart stoppages which cause falls and is blind but his mind is as sharp as it was 50 years ago. The other day he told my grandson about his first day at school in detail. About how the girl up the road who was a few years older picked him up on her horse and took him to school. How they had to cross the river causeway and the water was up to the horses knees. About the small one room school with a paddock for the children's horses. About the teacher having a T Model Ford and all the kids having to push start him. The stories were the same when I was a child, I have heard them a thousand times, they never change, facts never do, and my father would have to be the most honest man on the planet. He tells a story of when he and his grandfather were out cutting thistles. A biplane slowly flew over and my 12 year old father (Dad left school at 12) looked in amazement. He had seen a picture of one in a book at school once and grandfather saw one when he made a trip to Sydney once on the train. His grandfather scoffed. "It will never rain while them things are cutting the clouds up." My Father's stories are like something out of a "Boy's Own" now my son says that mine are... and they are, up until a point... when I was about 11 I sent away to Hobbyco for my first computer. I pursued a mate to go in with me and it nearly ended our friendship. This is what we got .... This was around the time of the Programma 101, the first commercial PC made by Olivetti and was the one used by NASA to do the calculations for the 1969 Luna landing, not quiet as powerful as the processor in your microwave and nowhere near the technology of the one in your car. When I rang a girl for a date for the first time the operator said "Number please", when I rang the girl I married for the first time it was an automatic exchange, 18 years later when I notified everyone of her passing by email, sms or mobile phone call. When my grandson was born his pic was on Facebook within 24 hours I have started to extrapolate these stories and look at the ones my children and grand children will tell when they are old. And how amused their children and grandchildren will be at the quaint stories of the "Olden Days", that is, if we make it.
It took me awhile to read your post. I'd read a little bit, laugh, say "Wow!" , laugh some more and wander around shaking my head, laughing and taking it in. It's going to take me awhile to answer you too. How wonderful to still have your Dad whole. It reminds me of a Redgum song: " And I asked old Ted what history meant As he sharpened his hedging shears "What a bloody fool question that is my boy I lived it for 83 years". My Dad's in a dementia ward. Filthy, mongrel thief of a thing, dementia. He's there in flashes: your eyes meet and he's there and in an instant he's gone. It hurts. It was quick. Or so it seemed. He went in for assessment last October and I'd speak to him on the phone the first week (I live 3 days drive from him). By the second week, Alzheimers had its rotten, filthy claws in him so deeply he couldn't take phone calls anymore and never has been able to since. He was a big, strong healthy man when he went in. He'd only given up squash the year before. Now he's 60 kg. In retrospect, the deterioration started a couple of years before. But he'd been on active duty in Vietnam and started to experience PTSD in recent years. We thought it was PTSD panic attacks. The doctors really don't know where the PTSD stops and the dementia starts. Dad stands guard duty at night and during the day he says things that clue you he's back in Vietnam for a moment. Thankfully, he doesn't stay there long. Most of the time he is clearly fishing, cast netting or gardening. A lot of his fellow residents are trapped somewhere terrifying. I can remember convincing myself I could see the colour on a black and white TV when I was little. Watching Homicide and Division Four with my Nana. She loved Dave Allen and I didn't get any of his jokes. He always had a cigarette and a glass of whiskey. Apparently Nana and I were watching a costume drama set in the 1900s once and I asked her what it was like in the olden days. She huffed that she wasn't that old and walked out of the room. The Dr Who theme music terrified me. I'd hide until it finished and the show started. And planes overhead scared me- I thought the Japanese were coming. All those WW2 midday movies! Friday was Friday Night Creature Feature movie night with my Aunty Helen. I thought I was so grown up watching grown up late movies with my grown up Aunty. Almost always Hammer Horrors and almost always bloody vampires. I'd bypass my own bed and sleep in Nana's- she had a big crucifix in her room. Religion had its uses then. The postman used to come morning and afternoon. The nearest phone was in a red telephone box down the corner. You could buy half a loaf of bread at the local shop and it was wrapped in white paper. Milk appeared on the doorstep. It was in a bottle and the milko brought it. Watching the garbos jumping off the truck, grabbing and emptying bins, then jumping back on again was wonderful. Do you remember the comic novel "The Outcasts of Foolgarah" about the Sydney garbos strike? No one would understand it now. Aunty Helen drove a Morris Minor and Poppy drove an Austin. Mum's first car was a great big white Valiant with a black top. She's 5'3" and had to sit on a cushion to see over the dash! I joined the forum a week ago. I was interested in finding out what people had to say about the election. I mainly got traditional party politics -oh well! My son is 26 and he married in January. My daughter-in-law is one of the warmest, sunniest, kindest people I have ever met in my 51 years. My son's a construction diver and my daughter-in-law is in her graduate year of nursing. They're both thoroughly decent. I'm so proud of them. I look at my son and marvel at the fine young man he's become. I loved your post. What a welome. Please talk to me often.
That is a ironic when you have simply post insult, DV. Just one thing. why did you change your user name??? Who is hunting who???
