White Guilt?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Avery Jarhman, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    In comes the "but they were white" excuse.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not really, European colonialists didn't have gladiators, but really, keep up the whining, it only makes you folks look even more ignorant...
     
  3. Maccabee

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    I think you misunderstood my post.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not at all, slavery ended, people need to get over it, nobody today is responsible for it, and nobody today owes anyone anything because of it. Its just one more excuse to cover for decades of under achievement even after affirmative action and all the racist benefits blacks get in this country...
     
  5. Esau

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    incomplete evidence means no evidence. evidence means evidence. in fact, the term "incomplete evidence" is an oxymoron in the context used. As for moses, do you have proof he even existed, or the ancient israelites for that matter because as far as im aware, there is no dna evidence to show they even existed. so that leaves us with so called african americans who were enslaved for 400 years.
     
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    tell what to the romans? they didnt practice chattel slavery nor were their subjects born into slavery as they left them as vassal states. in fact they made the subjects kings of the vassal state and even became generals in the roman army before long. the brits were never slaves to the romans, i dont know what fantasy books you read at school
     
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    of course you would say you dont owe anything. it would make your nation bankrupt. criminals regularly plead not guilty, it doesnt make it the case though, thats why they are criminals, because they lie and steal. If i robbed a bank, do you really think i would willfully give the money back? of course not. I wouldnt have robbed the bank in the first place.

    your entire nation was built on slavery. without slavery you would still be in britain, in jail somewhere.
     
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    Lets check in with the Australians on that, shall we?
     
  9. Maccabee

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    To clarify, I was mocking those who would use the excuse of "but they were white" to dismiss your argument.
     
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    No it doesn't. It simply means more evidence is needed to complete the picture. It's the same verbiage as an incomplete puzzle. The puzzle is there, but more pieces are needed to completely solve it. The original Wikipedia article I posted said that evidence was incomplete as to the extent of chattel slavery in Africa and how widely spread it was. It by no means implied that it didn't existed at all in Africa.

    What is your basis for your claim?

    You were the one quoting Bible verses not too long ago. I assumed that you at least respected it if not believed in it.
     
  11. Esau

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    australians? dont you mean the Aboriginis?
     
  12. Esau

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    the bible is a book of prophecies also. what makes you think the 400 years was not?
     
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    also wikipedia is not a source. its an archive of random ppl's opinions [sometimes backed up with real sources] your link was accompanied by no primary source and was merely the "editors" opinion. therefore it was wholly incomplete evidence, no evidence at all for a scholar to muse over with all respect.
     
  14. Maccabee

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    I'm assuming that you're refering the the American slave trade. To answer your question, America is not even 300 years old and slavery was abolished after the Civil War. So there's no possible way the US had a slave trade for 400 years unless you're counting the days of the pilgrims. Even then, the best you can come up with is around 300 years.
     
  15. Maccabee

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    Except for this.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00438240120047627
     
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    Without the subjugation and deaths of millions of Chinese, Japan wouldn't be where it is today. Without the subjugation of tribe a), team b) wouldn't be here today. etc etc etc, ad nauseum. Standard Operating Procedure of humanity, across the globe, since the cave. The vast majority leaves the past behind, and works with what is, not what was or what 'should' be. That's why the Chinese are not sitting at home crying (poor) waiting for the Japanese to say sorry.

    Yet this single American group has decided that it's not up to them to get ahead, it's up to Boss Man. There is only one way that can happen, and I'm pretty sure you know it. It takes the continued subjugation of the group. Concerted and protracted disempowerment. Theft of agency. The embedded message of helplessness and dependence, with any and all emancipation necessarily coming from Boss Man.
     
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    Not that it matters, since it's not there today. Nor was it there yesterday, or last year, or last decade, or last TWO generations.

    Or rather, it IS still there, but today it's mental slavery to the White 'ally' (aka, Boss Man). The only genuine apology a white man can give a black man (for past crimes) is to regard him as entirely capable of looking after himself, his family, and his future - and act accordingly, rather than just say it, but then sabotage it with AA or any other shackle to helplessness.
     
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    Those things became a movement last century, when systemic racism was still a thing. Now, such movements appear to be more about perpetuating dependence, than getting ahead. Chinese Americans have no 'movements', yet they're whipping whitey's arse. Ditto Indian Americans.

    No one buys the slavery thing any more, other than those with a vested interest in perpetuating helplessness (ie, white supremacists).
     
  19. Polydectes

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    It's best to think of white guilt as a button on a machine that if you press it sometimes it gives you money.

    Now if you could press a button and sometimes get money wouldn't you insist I'm pressing that button just as much as possible?

    It's so important to push this button that some white teenagers are shamed and lied about in the media because they refused to atone for the things that the button pushers think they should be atoning for. They represent the future and the fact that the machine it's probably not going to put out money much longer.
     
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    huh?

    "the bible is also a book of prophecies, what makes you think the 400 years was not?"

    thats referring to the 400 years of enslavement of the Hebrew Israelites. so, what makes you think that this wasnt prophecy also?
     
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    and this is exactly why we have wars and starvation and torture and poverty. because everyone is murdering and stealing and nobody is being punished. this is why we have chaos all over the globe, because Satan rules the earth. So- called Africans Americans ARE THE ONLY ppl on earth ready to stand up to Satan, everyone else is spineless or sold their souls.
     
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    of course you dont "buy it" because it would send your nation into bankruptcy. you literally owe more money to so- called african americans than you do china. but this is exactly what america wants. What better way to rule the earth than go around borrowing millions and trillions and never paying your debt, Genius!

    america is a basket case and neo liberal welfare state, entirely dependent on china and "african americans"
     
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    i dont think its about the money but i could be wrong.

    "to get back at somebody, then go for that which is most dear to them"

    we all know everything comes down to money with white folk so..they even know how to monetize emotions, no kidding!
     
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  25. Maccabee

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    Because it was in reference to the Israelites being enslaved by the Egyptians. Do you have another interpretation?
     

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