White House Blocked C.D.C. From Requiring Masks on Public Transportation

I can care less what Trump thinks. Like many previous Presidents, there have often been instances of taking an action for which a basis for a particular power may not in fact Constitutionally exist, yet goes unchallenged. I am asking for the basis of the power to create a mandate for the wearing of mask.
Lest my question lead to wondering my views regarding the value of such a measure, my question is one of authority; I personally wear a mask in public and avoid social gatherings, including avoid going to Restaurants or Pubs. And, it is highly likely I was one of the first to get COVID19, nearly dying in the the of December/January, before it was on anyone’s radar and before tests were available. It resulted a a strange form of severe phnemonia and a plurerual enfusion, from which I still have remaining issues. I have not been tested for antibodies, my Docs say it’s unlikely I’d show antibodies at this point.
The question still stands regarding Presidential powers.

 

The discussion is not about a "mandate to wear a mask in public and avoid social gatherings," etc. The discussion is about requiring masks specifically on public transportation. If a bus driver can require a shirt and shoes, why not a mask?

 

As I understand it, The CDC's mandate only extends to publicly owned areas, Airports, train depots, federal buildings, and the like.

 

Trump hasn't issued a nationwide preexisting condition executive order, but legislation grants the President a lot of authority on trade. What law or legislation grants the President the authority to issue a nationwide mask mandate?

 

The legislation you mention is for national security purposes only. He has no authority to just shut down trade because he feels like it -- that would make him a dictator.

 

Actually he does have that authority. The reason why he does is because Congress passed legislation multiple times granting the President various trade authority powers. I think you are referring to Section 232, but I would argue that if the President didn't have that authority, the courts would have ruled against him by now. Apparently Congress agreed he had the authority too since they've since tried to craft legislation removing that authority.

But my question wasn't about the President's trade authority; we both know he legally has those powers, the question was about what law or legislation grants the President the authority to issue a nationwide mask mandate? Do you believe the President has that authority?

 

Only when it comes to national security. And it is a strawman to change the subject to "a nationwide mask mandate." The OP isn't about a nationwide mask mandate. The OP is about mask regulations ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

 

Why would you cut out my answer, particularly when it was germane to the very question you are now asking?

"I think you are referring to Section 232, but I would argue that if the President didn't have that authority, the courts would have ruled against him by now. Apparently Congress agreed he had the authority too since they've since tried to craft legislation removing that authority."

That's poor form and a rule violation. But my question wasn't about the President's trade authority; we both know he legally has those powers, the question was about what law or legislation grants the President the authority to issue a nationwide mask mandate? Do you believe the President has that authority? And why do you keep dodging this question, even to the extent of cutting it out of my quote?

 

The courts have never ruled that the President has unlimited, authoritarian power to limit trade however he likes. Quoting and addressing only part of a post is not against the forum roles.

Your fake argument about a "nationwide mask mandate" has already been disproven. The OP is not about "a nationwide mask mandate." I've proposed nothing about "a nationwide mask mandate." You've been corrected on this fake argument a couple of times now. Please catch up.

 

I would like to know who the fascist dictator is at the CDC that thinks he or she can demand anything of a free American without the force of law?

 

The CDC has legal authority to make certain restrictions in a public health crises. These restrictions only apply to public transportation.

 

Oh yeah? Good luck enforcing that edict. This bs will end the day after the election. This campaign of fear has just been all about Trump hating media and the democrats Trump derangement syndrome.

 

If reactionary dolts want to resist basic concern for the health of others, then so be it. Not like they haven't already identified themselves and their Dear Leader.

 

Why would such a requirement even make sense? Millions of people have already had the virus and recovered. Why would they have to wear a mask? It's a stupid edict and unenforceable. We don't need to be throwing people in prison for free expression. It's a free country. Wear a mask if you want. Don't force yourself on other people. We have to get back to normal. Wearing a mask isn't normal. Heck, the virus isn't as deadly as it once was now that we have treatments for it.

 

Wearing masks decreases the spread. Ain't rocket surgery. This is the most deadly epidemic we've faced in a century. If you value petty nonsense about not wearing a mask more than you value the health of others, consult a psychologist. Willingly spreading deadly diseases isn't normal.

 

Since no one has claimed that the President has unlimited authoritarian power to limit trade that's clearly a dodge. The fact is Trump has authority granted by Congress and he's used it.

This is an interesting response. What "fake argument" did I make? It's almost as if you forgot what you were arguing about. However I'm always glad to refresh your memory.

You responded to this comment..

...with this response:

In other words, you chose to respond to a post about a nationwide mask mandate, then conveniently forgot that was the subject to attack Trump on...trade???

The TDS is strong in this one!

So after several posts, you've only obfuscated about the masks. It's clear you won't answer even though you responded to a post on just that subject. You simply wanted to (inaccurately) bash Trump on trade of all things.

It's clear you're very confused and no doubt the election is stressing you out. How about a nap?

 

We shouldn't, we can't live our lives in fear. Millions died during the Spanish flu. They didn't stop the world from turning. Time to get back to business and let Americans be free. Why is it libs call Trump a dictator while expressing support for draconian restrictions of our freedoms by an all powerful federal authority?

 

Risking your own life is one thing. You are suggesting risking the lives of others. At least do the honest thing and change your avatar if you are going to push for nonsense like this.

 

Everybody dies. If you are that afraid of the virus, then you should be the one hiding at home. It's ridiculous to force people to wear a mask at this point. 99% + survive. Stop living in fear. And stop using the government to impose restrictions on other people's liberty.

 

I'm not asking you to show concern for your own life. I'm asking you to respect the lives of others. If that is too much to ask for, and it clearly is, then you don't deserve your avatar.

 

Don't judge me. You have no right to question my faith. That is so out of bounds. How dare you.

 

If someone is a smoker they will prolonged their likelihood of not dying early by quitting smoking and not wearing a mask, vs wearing a mask and continue to smoke. I can't understand how liberals are so easily scared by things. 99.6% of the people who get the virus survive.

 

Holy Crap.

Trump fans are totally OK with millions dead?

Is that where we are?

 

HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS have already died

 

What an ignorant and condescending remark.