White Men tend to succeed more because the have better morals, values, and principles

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  1. ryobi

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    White Men tend to succeed more because thet have better morals, values, and principles.

    It's not because of discrimination.

    Who blames white male privilege for their personal failings???

    Who blames white males today for what other white males did hundreds of years ago before anyone alive today was born???

    Hint: It's not white males.

    White males tend to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions and choices.

    I've never heard a white male blaming white male privilege for their personal failings.

    White males tend to succeed more because they have better morals, values, and principles.
     
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    Flamebait.

    Nothing to see here.
     
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    Your viewpoint is very ethnocentric. Each culture defines what constitutes good morals differently.
     
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    When in Rome you do as the Roman's do. Now if you want to set up a subculture or counterculture that doesn't line up with the culture of the country you inhabit you're going to have problems. You can throw a little temper tantrums all day long but that culture will never be accepted and it shouldn't.
     
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    Not all white men have better ethics, principles, values and morals, and not all women and minorities lack ethics, morals, values, and principles, it's just that white men tend to have better ethics, morals, values, and principles.
     
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    What do you mean by 'succeed more'? You are aware, I take it, that non-whites now top America's income ladder? They also have lower divorce rates and lower rates of alcohol and drug abuse than whites.

    But do carry on with your visit to the mid twentieth century.
     
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    So what happened to you?
     
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    Are you just referring to Asians? I would agree, when it comes to work, Asians typically have better ethics and morality to get the job done, and done right.
     
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    White men are not morally superior. Provide some evidence to support this ridiculous assertion.
     
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    How about lower crime rates?
     
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    There is certainly truth to that there are many cultures that are not only backward but are also inhumane and are not conducive to successful social outcomes.
     
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    True, it's "ethnocentric" to note cutting off a little girl's clitoris is abhorrent and then shoving her into an arranged marriage with say, a "prophet" in his 50s.
     
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    There are loads of White men in prison in America. Lower crime rates compared to certain populations? Sure. That can be attributed to Socioeconomic factors. That doesn't mean that White men as a collective are morally superior.
     
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    In my country, the majority of prison inmates are white. Clearly, the idea that whites are superior to all races is a uniquely American phenomenon.
     
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    Not specifically, at least in terms of where I live. But in America, sure. Asians top your income and education stats. They also rank pretty darned low on crime stats, and other indicators of dissolution.
     
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    So what happens to black-white crime rates after adjusting for income?
     
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    Do you have stats on this? Logically to make a fair comparison you would have to adjust for all significant environmental variables including income, education, family quality, neighborhood quality, healthcare etc.

    You still wouldn't have equal environments as it is impossible to eliminate the psychological effects of racism in racially stratified societies but it is interesting to note that when environmental variables like this are controlled for the Black-White IQ gap is virtually eliminated. I would predict that the same is true with crime rates but I haven't looked in to this area of research in depth.
     
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    So, what you are saying, that all things being equal, whites and blacks would commit the same amount of crime? That is a very hard thing to measure and stratify since each individual (white or black) is different and can take each individual circumstance and event in their life in a different way than anyone else. These threads are perfect examples, what one person sees as a racist statement, another could have thought it was benign.
     
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    I've had between 15 and 30 employees work for me for almost 25 years. I hire sight unseen based on certification and experience. In all that time I wouldn't attempt to predetermine someone's ethics based on ethnicity.
     
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    I don't know what the statistical measure would be. What I am saying is that I believe that environmental variables have a significant influence on behavior and culture and that you could make a better case for there being moral differences between races, that are innate, if the only difference between the communities being studied was race. We know that that isn't the case as we live in racially stratified societies and have a history of racist discrimination that has made environment unequal between racial groups. So if your control the environmental variables and there is still a statically significant difference then people like Rayznack have some credibility with their argument. If the statistics are the same or at least comparable then the data more closely supports an environmental explanation.

    As it relates to this thread if environment strongly impacts outcomes then saying that White men are morally superior is meaningless. You could just say that wealthy people with a good upbringing are morally superior because they live in a good environment. In America and other places White people have most of the wealth. But did they obtain that wealth through solely morally righteous means? Or was there a lot morally reprehensible behavior involved including colonialism, genocide and enslavement? I'm not saying that many White people did not make an honest living however a lot of the wealth of America and Western countries in general was obtained through the exploitation of other groups which involved atrocities.

    So how can you say that White men succeed because of better morals, values and principles when a lot of their wealth was inherited through very indecent means?
     
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    Its a hard "what if" scenario. I think the biggest factor for either group of people is fatherly involvement. Yes, some single mothers can instill the respect for authority, respect for education, respect for others into their kids, but they are the exception, not the rule. "Morals" are always up in the air and subjective. Many black men "succeed" in criminal activities. There are a lot of success in the black community in sports. So, if morals were swapped around, and the US became more like a warlord type Somalia, could we say that blacks would be the more "successful" race based on their "morals" for the society that they live in? Its all semantics when you take into account what would you call "success" and do you have to retain that success till you die, cause most professional athletes are broke 2-5 years after they retire.
     
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    "Colonialism, genocide, and enslavement" occurred in every racial group, including your fellow black Africans. In fact, blacks were enslaving others long before whites were. The same can be said for Arabs and Asians. If colonialism equates to current wealth, then Mongolia should be one of the richest places in the world, as they conquered pretty much the entire Asian continent as well as Europe and the Middle East. Modern day Turkey would also be extremely wealthy.

    No, white countries are typically richer because they invented more, created more businesses, and utilized capitalism more efficiently during the past several hundred years compared with other groups. I know in your black "egalitarian" mindset, where all groups would be equally smart, capable, wealthy, and law-abiding but for those evil white people oppressing everybody, but that doesn't reflect reality. There are differences in not only IQ levels, but also cultural factors to consider. Some groups are more adapted to living in this kind of society than others. That's obvious. Blacks have only been living in white civilizations for a few hundred years. That's a blink of an eye compared to the types of civilizations they had been living in prior to that.
     
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    You're just promoting racist pseudoscience. What if Blacks had been given an equal chance in Western societies from the beginning? What would their communities look like? You don't know that because that isn't what happened.
     
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    Why do they have to be in "Western societies"? Those are white societies. Why didn't blacks create something that rivaled or exceeded Western societies?
     
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    Because they only had a few centuries before whites came along. And didn't you know, all western societies wouldn't have been possible without taking from black societies first while running them into the ground and salting the earth? The Sahara would be a jungle if whites didn't destroy the area when they took all the slaves from the region. Its like how whites suppressed all Native Americans' inventions and societies. Whites took the wheel and vaccines from them to cripple their race.
     
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