White Nationalists age Bizarro , Find Themselves Stranded

"a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests"

Perhaps you could explain what you mean a bit more. For example, I see in the civil war those who wanted a strong united country in opposition to those who wanted the power to reside in the states and the central government to act more for coordination and cooperation.

 

Isn't that pretty much true of every political movement?

 

I would think most would have stated goals and objectives mixed in with some healthy idealism. Something like, we believe in a strong national defense or a woman's right to choose. Reading their manifesto there doesn't appear to be any objectives other than references to returning to the values that made this country great kinda thing. Perhaps that's intentional so people can't point to and misconstrue what they would like to accomplish. And watching this parade I can't tell what it was intended to accomplish. It seems to be a lot of work went into their parade without any kinda message other than perhaps, we like the American flag.

 

A neat video here.

Guy talked to a retired FBI who immediately identified that they were not FBI, and not maga.

 

Bahahahahahahahahahaha…..I NEVER claimed to be a victim. I claimed that the right in this country is off the rails

HUH ? Suspicious ? It was a full on attempts to overthrow a free and fair election. That’s not really up for debate.

Yeah, 4 people die on every “tour” of Washington……You must only watch Fox or AON.

Gaslighting…bahahahahahah

Show your proof or sit down. You’ve had a year now, where is the proof……

 

that's the whole point of crying about white supremacists you have to invent them so you can be a victim that's why you're upset because we're taking away your victimhood

no that came from the left. The Jan sixth thing was a reaction to it

The only person that died on Jan sixth was the veteran that was murdered by the capital Police.

Biden didn't really win. Everybody knows it.

 

Any updates.

 

Invent them ? FFS man.......

Show your proof or sit down. You've had over a year...I eagerly await your "proof"

yeah...ok

Again, I eagerly await your "proof", but wont hold my breath past the OAN stories your about to post

 

The FF fought for an idea not a nation/state.
IMO, the "my country right or wrong" concept is fundamentally anti-American.
IOW, the Pledge of Allegiance was anti-American indoctrination.

 

You can call them patriots, but their actions and words speak for themselves.

This is the kind of messaging they distribute:



They also like to use acronym "ZOG" = Zionist Occupied Government (Jews in control of US government). They also use "1488", where 14="14 White Power Words = "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children", and 88=HH= Heil Hitler.

And

• “Jews aren't white, try again. It's typical for parasitic Jews to claim race doesn't exist because it benefits you. A rootless, atomized race of indistinguishable mocha colored brown people are what you seek. We're on to you ****.” Braxton Bragg, Gab.ia, December 1, 2017
• “Happy Veterans Day to my fellow Veterans and yes… I know we fought for ZOG and all that.” Braxton Bragg, Twitter, November 11, 2017
• “14 & 88 #two reasons I get out of bed. Washington Front spent election night spreading awareness to our cause. This nation was conquered, not stolen.” Washington Front, Twitter, November 8, 2017
• “The international Jewish community has an undeniable, predominant role in assisting and promoting the factions that most viciously attack the moral and ethical foundations of America, and in eroding the financial bulwarks against globalism.” Patriot Front, Twitter, November 11, 2017.
• “We are the opposite of all the left stands for, so I'll agree with you for simplicity's sake. What we stand for transcends simple modern left/right dogma, which is essentially an economic dispute between two sides of the same Jew coin.” Braxton Bragg, Gab.ai, November 26, 2017
• “We acknowledge the disproportionate and detrimental influence of the rootless Jewish community in America, and seek to counteract them.” Patriot Front, Twitter, October 29, 2017
• “Deconstruction of a Western ideological or spiritual concept is the very essence of the modern Jewish worldview.” Braxton Bragg, Gab.ai, October 10, 2017
• “Speaking out against the disproportionate influence of Jews in America is always met with wild opposition. Such reaction is proof enough.” Patriot Front, Twitter, October 3, 2017
• “This take-a-knee thing is like a litmus test so Jews can see how many whites they have control over. Don’t kneel. Be a patriot. Stand proud.” Billy Merse, retweeted Will Wilmot, September 27, 2017

 

yep the only white supremacists that seem to exist are the ones the pro-defamation league assigns.

US citizens there was plenty of proof except it or don't. Everybody knows. It's just some deny others don't

 

I disagree patriotism and nationalism are synonyms and his anti-American everything is.

I'm not really interested in talking about the pledge of allegiance

 

This very good source reveals that the Founders' loyalty to the USG was provisional.

“England holding the Great Lakes, dominating the northern Indian populations and threatening the Gulf and the mouth of the Mississippi by her fleet, watched during the Revolution, the Confederation, and the early republic for the breaking of the fragile bonds of the thirteen States, ready to extend her protection over the settlers in the Mississippi Valley.

Alarmed by the prospect of England's taking Louisiana and Florida from Spain, Jefferson wrote in 1790: "Embraced from St. Croix to St. Mary's on one side by their possessions, on the other by their fleet, we need not hesitate to say that they would soon find means to unite to them all the territory covered by the ramifications of the Mississippi." And that, he thought, must result in "bloody and eternal war or indissoluble confederacy" with England.

None of these nations deemed it impossible that American settlers in the Mississippi Valley might be won to accept another flag than that of the United States. Gardoqui had the effrontery in 1787 to suggest to Madison that the Kentuckians would make good Spanish subjects. France enlisted the support of frontiersmen led by George Rogers Clark for her attempted conquest of Louisiana in 1793. England tried to win support among the western settlers. Indeed, when we recall that George Rogers Clark accepted a commission as Major General from France in 1793 and again in 1798; that Wilkinson, afterwards commander-in-chief of the American army, secretly asked Spanish citizenship and promised renunciation of his American allegiance; that Governor Sevier of Franklin, afterwards Senator from Tennessee and its first Governor as a State, Robertson the founder of Cumberland, and Blount, Governor of the Southwest Territory and afterwards Senator from Tennessee, were all willing to accept the rule of another nation sooner than see the navigation of the Mississippi yielded by the American government we can easily believe that it lay within the realm of possibility that another allegiance might have been accepted by the frontiersmen themselves. We may well trust Rufus Putnam, whose federalism and devotion to his country had been proved and whose work in founding New England's settlement at Marietta is well known, when he wrote in 1790 in answer to Fisher Ames's question whether the Mississippi Valley could be retained in the Union: "Should Congress give up her claim to the navigation of the Mississippi or cede it to the Spaniards, I believe the people in the Western quarter would separate themselves from the United States very soon. Such a measure, I have no doubt, would excite so much rage and dissatisfaction that the people would sooner put themselves under the despotic government of Spain than remain the indented servants of Congress." He added that if Congress did not afford due protection also to these western settlers they might turn to England or Spain.[6]”
The Frontier In American History, Frederick Jackson Turner, Dover Publications Inc. NY 1996.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/TURNER/

 

Loyalty to the Union was very provisional from the start. The USG was expected to effectively serve the interests of Americans or be rejected.
This is a very good source with a free text link:

“Prior to the railroad the Mississippi Valley was potentially the basis for an independent empire, in spite of the fact that its population would inevitably be drawn from the Eastern States. Its natural outlet was down the current to the Gulf. New Orleans controlled the Valley, in the words of Wilkinson, "as the key the lock, or the citadel the outworks." So long as the Mississippi Valley was menaced, or in part controlled, by rival European states, just so long must the United States be a part of the state system of Europe, involved in its fortunes. And particularly was this the case in view of the fact that until the Union made internal commerce, based upon the Mississippi Valley, its dominant economic interest, the merchants and sailors of the northeastern States and the staple producers of the southern sea-board were a commercial appanage of Europe.

The significance of the Mississippi Valley was clearly seen by Jefferson. Writing to Livingston in 1802 he declared:

There is on the globe one single spot, the possessor of which is our natural and habitual enemy. It is New Orleans, through which the produce of three-eights of our territory must pass to market, and from its fertility it will ere long yield more than half of our whole produce and contain more than half of our inhabitants.... The day that France takes possession of New Orleans fixes the sentence which is to restrain her within her low-water mark. It seals the union of two nations who in conjunction can maintain exclusive possession of the ocean. From that moment we must marry ourselves to the British fleet and nation . . . holding the two continents of America in sequestration for the common purposes of the united British and American nations. 7



The acquisition of Louisiana was a recognition of the essential unity of the Mississippi Valley. The French engineer Collot reported to his government after an investigation in 1796:

All the positions on the left [east] bank of the Mississippi . . . without the alliance of the Western states are far from covering Louisiana.... When two nations possess, one the coasts and the other the plains, the former must inevitably embark or submit. From thence I conclude that the Western States of the North American republic must unite themselves with Louisiana and form in the future one single compact nation; or else that colony to whatever power it shall belong will be conquered or devoured.”
The Frontier In American History, Frederick Jackson Turner, Dover Publications Inc. NY 1996.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/TURNER/

 

Again, you make a claim that has literally no basis in reality.

Show the proof. Accusations that have no proof are all you have

Have a nice day

 

They don't live in the country we have today and for historical purposes that may be interesting but has nothing to do with patriotism in modern times.

 

accepted or don't I'm not here to prove anything to you.

I don't play that game if you want to deny my claim that's your business. We have all the evidence for this happening up until now means nothing to you exist in your own reality. I do not care.

 

That was my point. "Patriotism in modern times" is fundamentally anti-American.
The American system of governance had everything to do with an idea -- severely limiting the size and power of government -- and little or nothing to do with allegiance to government which was believed to be "at best a necessary evil".

 

Rotflmao !!!!

Accountability is a four letter word for them.

 

Thats not the way it works.......You dont get to make a claim and then advance that everyone else needs to prove it false......

You cant prove your own case, thats. on you. Thats why your loosing this debate. You have NO proof. Your living on the "if I say it loud enough, and long enough it must be true" montra

 

Allegiance to government isn't patriotism or nationalism.

 

I don't get to looks like I did better go get the thought police to come arrest me.

Hurting something that everyone already knows is waste of time.

 

I commend you for showing evidence rather than presuming like the other fellow had until this point in the thread.

 

Whatever it is called, the "my country right or wrong" thing is an anti-American concept.

“But you know as well as I, patriotism is a word; and one that generally comes to mean either my country, right or wrong, which is infamous, or my country is always right, which is imbecile.” Patrick O'brien, a Brit, talking like an American