"White Privilege" doesn't exist

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  1. Ritter

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    Don't flatter yourself.
     
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    Whoooosh the sarcasm going over your head. I have to assume you’re a kid, or at least I hope so
    It’s funny instead of that line I was going to write, “I am sure you will find something here to pick on” you are so predictable
     
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    quoted for effect. and because some here seem to think it's still 1970.
     
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    I think we can safely say that any books she's authored on child raising (or related) are necessarily 'pop science'. She only draws conclusions from ONE example, so the word 'science' doesn't even really belong in that description. More like just 'pop'. Not that there isn't a market for that too. People in echo chambers still like to hear the sound of the echo occasionally.
     
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    My book is based on some research, but mostly from being a confidante of thousands of teens . I’m trying to figure out why you say I draw conclusions from one example. The funny thing is you would probably like the book very much....but you think you know what’s in it.
    I hate this message board because I’m supposed to be writing and that’s why am always popping in here. It’s an addiction. Oh and I do discuss addiction as well
     
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    You've admitted that you only refer to the American (or western) model.
     
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    "Classroom management" sounds like something that would ruin the "classroom chemistry" more than anything else. Seeing how teachers these days operate and reading what they are told to do in what situation makes me very scared. Scared because the beautiful and highly respectable profession of teacher has degenerated to "rainbows and cotton candy".

    I am not, at all, an expert, but I have had the experience of being part of "messy classrooms" and the only thing that ever helped was a form of "respect-based authoritarianism" where teachers had control and where students knew what was expected, what was allowed and that the teacher will respect them if they respect the teacher.

    These days the so called "experts" seem to advocate some form of "equality-based classroom anarchy" and that can never work. I hope you are not one of these "experts". :p
     
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    That's what white privilege is: automatically treating someone with a certain minimum level of respect, tolerance and courtesy. Automatically believing what they say and automatically assuming they are good, honest people.
     
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    Knock it off, won't you? "White Privilege" is not an actual thing and only exists in the eyes of people who want to see it. If you take entire groups and put them against each other to contrast their level of "oppression" you will end up in a situation where you only see race, gender, class and other "social factors" and each time this has been tried out in history, it has ended in genocide.

    "Social identity" is multifaceted and situational. It can always be broken into smaller and smaller pieces and if you break it down long enough, all you will have left is the individual and this is the key to "fighting racism" and exactly what MLK's dream was about; a dream where Black children and White children can play with one and other, not as Blacks and Whites, but as children.
     
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    Oh, white privilege is an actual thing. There is no doubt about it whatsoever.

    It is the same kind of thing we experience being seen as female, or fat, or short or young or old, someone who looks like a biker or a street person, etc. People have an automatic attitude toward someone based on what they see. Bias. It is bias. Beautiful people are treated differently than plain or ugly people. Thin, fit people are treated differently than overweight people. Youthful people are treated differently than the elderly, but if you are too young, you are treated a certain way too.

    White privilege is very widespread, especially in a culture like ours, a culture that is a very big white majority.
     
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    Exactly what is "White Privilege" and how does it manifest itself in reality?

    Yes, man is a social animal that likes to classify and categorise people to make order out of the chaos we live in. However, most people are not idiots and will not let one individual represent the entire group.

    The more we equate the individual to his group and the more we generalise and rank groups in "oppression-hierarchies", the more hostility between the groups will we get. Today, there is way too much focus on identity politics and political correctness and these two only serve to hamper "race relations" and limit dialogue between members of different groups.

    Now, there is even legislations that force companies and institutions to follow the directions of "diversity quotas" and this of course means that even more focus will be put on the collective which in turn overshadows the individual and results in some form of "involuntary, but benevolent racism/sexism". The worst thing of all is that government rewards companies who do this and, in a way, we are finding outselves in some form of "Segregation 2.0" where discrimination is the norm.
     
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    Gee what can be worse than a teacher managing a classroom? It is so obvious that all you want to do is put me down because anyone with an ounce of brains knows that running a good classroom creates “classroom chemistry” I have 300 tips. And one chapter deals with people who say what you say
    tell me all your experience about “seeing teachers operate”.You know nothing about education and just have a need to demean it with your imaginary scenario. It is people like you who cause teachers to leave the profession. I am invited in June to try and encourage teachers to stay. They will tell me that they get little respect and low pay, so why stay?
    Of course I am one of those” equality based anarchists” I let them do whatever they want and run around naked. (Sarcasm alert)
    My book gives teachers ideas on how to make a classroom safe among other things. It has a lot of things not to do. It’s in its 20th year so it must be helpful. But I am sure you will blame the failure of education that you see on my book LOL
     
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    Do you wonder my book was translated into Chinese and Indonesian and is used in India and Britain? To be honest I was really surprised when China bought the rights. I was so excited because China has 1 billion people and I thought what if 1 million buy it etc. then my publisher brought me down to reality and told me they only printed a few thousand. I had to return my Rolls-Royce LOL
    My only experience by the way is with the American model
     
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    And when white People do something wrong, their race isn’t blamed
    We can hail a cab and know we will get picked up. We don’t fear being followed around in stores. ..the list goes on
     
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    Yes that was Martin Luther King‘s dream and just about every black person‘s dream but nothing happened until it became a movement. The same thing with women. To deny white privilege or to deny male privilege shows how you take your privilege for granted and have no understanding of those who aren’t white males. Yes i agree white male privilege only exists in the eyes of those who want to see it...because those who have the privileges don’t want to see it.,
    Relax and don’t be afraid of “genocide” ... blacks and women just want equality....don’t be so afraid
     
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    Oh I heard this same rhetoric when I fought for these rights....and look where we have come. I don’t know why you find inclusion of people who were excluded, so abhorrent .It must be tough having to share of the pie with minorities.
     
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    I think you did not even read what I wrote. :no:

    I've been in the hands of educational institutions from that I was 1,5 years old. I know teachers very well and had plans of entering the profession myself, but decided not to due what government has done to it. I am still very interested in It and will, once in a while, read some government study and/or read interviews with teachers (for the lols mostly).

    No, it is because of "experts" like you that people like me turn away from teaching. ;)

    Teachers leave their jobs primarily because of the awful work environment, lack of pedagogical freedom and bad salaries.

    You are the expert, so you tell me; why stay?

    Very funny.

    Don't flatter yourself. I did not blame it on your book.
     
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    You fail to see the bigger picture - the issue of radical collectivism, what that does to the individual and how this affects society as a whole.

    And no, I am not scared of "sharing pie with the minorities" (whatever that means) because I am a minority myself. What I fear is group-think.

     
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    Yeah, and your point is?

    Grass is always greener on the other side and life is not fair. Just get over it. :)

    What sort of privileges is it exactly that you are talking about? I can give you tons of examples of how I - as an individual - am "unprivileged", but I don't play that game because I find it appalling.

    We already have it.
     
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    The point is men like you don’t see any prejudice against African American and women and your solution is “get over it”...nope it takes a movement to make change ,,,,get over it!
    Tell me the disadvantages you have as a white male.not as an individual, that’s silly.
    When blacks and women were denied access to the best colleges, were denied positions of power that white males weren’t we couldn’t just “get over it”. Now that we are gaining power and making men share the pie they alone enjoyed...the boys are whining
    Ps I’m off to a workshop soon and I will be sharing a lot of views ,
     
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    Oh wow, you were a student so now you’re an expert on teaching.
    And I notice your convictions ..you are certainly not a doer. I didn’t like a lot about educational and I fought for change while doing a job I think is one of the most important ones ..
    Experts like me turn you away from teaching? What a cop out. I hear from hundreds of students but please don’t tell them how terrible I was....I must have fooled them. Your childish personal attacks are just that...childish!
    You are right about why teachers leave.....and a big reason is lack of respect. Plus there are some that go into teaching because they think it will be easy....then they learn
    The reasons you gave are valid and because education here is such a low priority things won’t change....but now teachers are walking out!

    People would always ask me why I stayed in one of the worst schools in nyc and my answer was...” how could I not”? I’m not like you who walks away from something he wants to do,,.I stay and make a difference .
     
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    What race are you that makes you a minority?
     
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    You cannot change the world. Change has to come from within and therefore you have to start with yourself; the individual.

    No, what is silly is that you think I can speak for all men. I am me.

    You are just too collectivistic for us to ever understand each other.

    I don't give a crap. :D
     
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    In general, most Americans don't seem to have a clue about teaching or what teachers do. And the lack of respect for the occupation is appaling.
     
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    Both my parents are immigrants, they both lack higher education, I have a foreign name, I was born with an incurable condition and underwent chemo as a 7 year old boy.

    As you see, I am "intersectionally inferior" and I could easily play the victim card if I wanted, but I do not because I know there is no "oppression".
     

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