White Suburban Women Swinging Toward Republicans

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Well isn't that the last group that wasn't? What does that mean for the Dems here in the mid-terms and then in 2024. What happened to abortion was going to sink the Reps as women revolted?

    The pendulum swings more the Reps everyday since the Dems little blip back mid-summer

    White Suburban Women Swinging Toward Republicans
    New WSJ poll shows key group of midterm voters favors the GOP by 15 percentage points

    White suburban women, a key group of midterm voters, have significantly shifted their support from Democrats to Republicans in the closing days of midterm campaigning because of rising concerns over the economy and inflation, according to the latest Wall Street Journal poll.

    The new survey shows that white women living in suburban areas, who make up 20% of the electorate, now favor Republicans for Congress by 15 percentage points, moving 27 percentage points away from Democrats since the Journal’s August poll. It also suggests that the topic of abortion rights has faded in importance after Democrats saw energy on that issue this summer in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

    “We’re talking about a collapse, if you will, in that group on the perceptions of the economy,” said Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio who conducted the poll with Democratic pollster John Anzalone. The poll showed that 54% of white suburban women think the U.S. is already in a recession and 74% think the economy is headed in the wrong direction.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-...l1cbghf7plz&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
     
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    Abortion matters to them, but feeding the family and having roof over their heads means more. The Democrat policies are threatening all of those things.
     
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    By all the polling I am see the Dobbs decision and abortion peaking weeks ago and now not even top five.
     
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    It costs roughly 50% more to take little johnny and little susie to school. It costs roughly 50% more to feed them. It costs roughly 35% more to cloth them. It costs almost 100% more to heat and cool the house. Insurance is up 15%. And all that cost keeps mom from enjoying her shopping at whole foods. It makes her need to shop at the Kroger, or the Aldi's instead. Gasp, "walmart"...

    And folks are beginning to understand that suddenly since Brandon, their purchasing power has dramatically decreased. And they are finally understanding that while they never thought it could happen to them, it is. And when they look at the 401K, and the fact that those are down in value 25-40%, retirement looks farther and farther away.

    And of course, that doesn't, even remotely, cover the fear of what might now happen to them should they venture out of the house, and god forbid have to go into the downtown areas of their local cities. Car jackings, kidnappings, shootings, etc.

    So, when suburban mom sits down and actually processes that, well, they aren't pleased by their "emergency" choice to end mean tweets anymore. And they are shifting to grasp at candidates that might actually change the pain that they are enduring at home and work these days.
     
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    And this black woman on The View asserting white suburban women are just too stupid to know what is in their best interest. I think white suburban white know damn well what is their best interest and don't need this woman telling them what it is.



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    Sunny Hostin, a co-host of ABC’s daytime political talk show “The View,” is arguing it is nonsensical for suburban women to vote GOP in next week’s midterm elections.

    “I read a poll just yesterday” showing that “suburban women are now going to vote Republican,” Hostin said during Thursday’s episode. “It’s almost like roaches voting for Raid,” she added, in reference to the popular pest repellent.


    Alyssa Farah Griffin, a former Trump White House communications director and the lone conservative on the panel-style show, interjected, saying the comment was “insulting to the voter.”

    “They’re voting against their own self interest,” Hostin countered.

    “People make up decisions on what’s right for their family,” Griffin shot back, calling it wrong that Hostin felt she could make that determination for others."
    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...men-backing-gop-like-roaches-voting-for-raid/

    Who exactly is engage in the vile devise over the top rhetoric Biden was talking about?
     
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    So far this year no white suburban women have been pushed off subway platforms in Atlanta. I guess that means Stacey Abrams sill has a chance to be elected Governor.
     
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    Even some of the MSM are starting to lean towards huge Rep wins across the country.
     
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    Yes, they are finally seeing the light...just like they did in 2018...and wait, no 2020, or was it 2016...when is it white suburban women finally realized that white GOP men were their only savior and they should never vote for someone else? I'm always so confused by these short term win celebrations.

    And I'll say this, even the dems wins in between don't matter much because the House is supposed to be more volatile and respond to the whims of the people.

    That said, why is it that every time a midterm goes your way, people allegedly see the light...temporarily? Have you considered that perhaps what will happen is people will vote GOP because of inflation, only to find as usual your party can't fix it and then after a couple cycles, vote democrat again? Is that not a real possibility based on actual reality? Or are you guys really sticking with, we've won now and forever? And I'd ask this of 2018 democrats too. This is the nature of American politics. It cycles based on real or silly perceptions. I don't know why anyone would think the government can solve inflation by doing anything other than raising the rates via the feds. Cutting taxes and continuing to spend, which is all the GOP will do, won't cut inflation. It will make it worse. Or maybe the feds rates will have curbed it and it will go down and the GOP can try and take credit for coincidence, certainly not out of the realm of politics. Either way, I guess I'm not as excited as you guys every two years, but hey, congrats if it goes your way.
     
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    Your characterization is ridiculous. I suggest you get out more, and see who the republican candidates are. Not just white men. And the actually funny part is that while you deride that, what is Joe again?
     
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    I'd fire the R pollsters. They were feeding the mirage.
     
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    Looks like the OP needs to read better polling sources.
     
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    Why they didn't?
     
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    I have voted Republican always with one exception many many years ago. In my opinion Trump's offensive personality and the ulta-magas have combined to destroy the Republican party.
     
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    Well I guess those women weren't "roaches" after all. Perhaps they smelled some "Raid" in the air and voted Democrat at the last minute.
     
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    Abortion access ultimately proved to be a powerful force in the 2022 midterm elections, lifting Democrats in battleground states and helping to weaken the Republican wave into a ripple.

    In the five states where the issue was directly on the ballot, every contest leaned in favor of protecting abortion rights - even in heavily Republican states like Kentucky and Montana.

    In Pennsylvania and Michigan, voters ranked abortion access as their top concern, outpacing inflation. That dynamic helped propel Democrat John Fetterman to victory, flipping a U.S. Senate seat from Republicans. And in Michigan, an amendment to protect abortion rights easily passed. Campaigning on the issue, Democrats kept the governorship and won control of the state legislature for the first time in nearly thirty years.

    Voters in California and Vermont passed similar ballot initiatives. And voters in Kentucky and Montana rejected measures that would have further restricted abortion...

    news.yahoo.com/role-abortion-2022-midterm-elections-141558765.html​
     
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    Then why did all the governors who signed abortion restriction bills win reelection?
     
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    Probably for the same reason that governors like Evers who did not sign abortion restriction bills won reelection.

    Of course, governors take multiple positions on multiple issues.

    In the five states where the issue was directly on the ballot, voters chose to protect abortion rights - even in heavily Republican states like Kentucky and Montana.
     
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    You said

    Yet all the pro-life governors won reelection.
     
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    As noted, no governor runs on a single issue.

    Where is was a direct and clear proposition, Americans in three states enshrined abortion rights in their constitutions while those in two states voted against further restricting access to abortion services, handing personal freedom activists victories, and rejecting authoritarian statism in every case.
     
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    It was about the singular issue on which the Dems ran and all those govenors won. And do all those voters really know what they were voting for, completely unrestricted abortion which only 20% of the country supports?


    Don’t Blame Dobbs
    .....And there isn’t much reason to think that Dobbs backlash played a significant role in that story. Consider this: In Florida, Ohio, Georgia, and Texas, Republican governors who signed strict pro-life laws won reelection handily. In Georgia and Ohio, meanwhile, lackluster GOP Senate candidates ran far behind the Republican governors. The problem isn’t abortion; it’s the candidates.

    Even if some part of last night’s GOP underperformance had to do with abortion, this shouldn’t be attributed to Dobbs or the GOP’s position on the issue. We need to recognize that voters are regularly lied to about abortion policy, and Republicans don’t do enough to counter those lies. Consider Michigan, where Proposal 3 succeeded in codifying an absolute right to “reproductive freedom for all” in the state constitution. The full language of the ballot measure didn’t even appear on the ballot, and what did was airbrushed to make it seem far less radical than it is. Despite valiant efforts by Michigan pro-lifers, the falsehoods won out. Might it have turned out differently if the state GOP had zealously embraced a popular, incremental abortion policy in contrast to the amendment’s extremism?

    As I wrote in National Review last week, the Republican position on abortion — for the most part, a willingness to embrace the most pro-life policy that lines up with public opinion — is far more popular than that of Democrats. Democratic politicians wholeheartedly reject incrementalism and continue to embrace abortion on demand throughout all nine months of pregnancy, a policy that only 10 percent of Americans and 20 percent of their own voters support. If the GOP isn’t appealing enough on the issue, it is because of the disconnect between the parties’ positions on abortion and what voters believe those positions to be. It’s a messaging problem, and it won’t be solved by hastily scapegoating the pro-life movement.

    Meanwhile, nearly the entire abortion debate since Dobbs has focused on the claim that pro-life laws will prevent women from being treated in health-care emergencies. Despite ample evidence that this is not the case, Democrats have succeeded in convincing voters with this fearmongering, in part because Republicans haven’t done enough to push back. Given these imagined stakes, no wonder voters with abortion on their minds might fear the GOP. Such a landscape doesn’t suggest that the GOP needs to equivocate on abortion policy; it indicates that Republican politicians must get better at fighting messaging battles on the issue, something they have been loath to do for decades....
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/11/dont-blame-dobbs/
     
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    "Unrestricted" right to an abortion was not what a large majority of Americans had been satisfied with for half-a-century.

    Rightwing spin notwithstanding, the ABC News/Washington Post poll had showed 60% percent of Americans confirming that Roe v. Wade should be upheld, safeguarding the long-standing guaranteed constitutional right to abortion, while 27% said it should be overturned. That clearly indicated Americans' love of liberty that was re-affirmed wherever it was the ballot, i.e., Kansas, Michigan, Kentucky, Montana, California, Vermont.

     
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    And the majority do not want unrestricted abortion which is what RvW was and now the left is clammoring to reinstate and celebrating where they precieve success. And when the polling as do you support some restrict the same people who say they support RvW answer YES. Why? Because they do not understand RvW nor this SCOTUS ruling.
     
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    If you are unable to accept that Americans support freedom of choice and reject state authoritarianism in reproductive matters, so be it.
     
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    And the majority do not want unrestricted abortion which is what RvW was and now the left is clammoring to reinstate and celebrating where they precieve success. And when the polling as do you support some restrict the same people who say they support RvW answer YES. Why? Because they do not understand RvW nor this SCOTUS ruling.

    If you can't accept that so be it. We are created with the self evident truth of our inherent right to life. If you can't accept that so be it. If you can't accept abortion for what it is, as evidence in your statement above where you did not even use the word so be it that says quite a lot.
     
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    You are mistaken. Roe v Wade acknowledged that women have the right to abort pre-viability without undue interference from the state, but the state may restrict abortion post-viability.

    60% of Americans did not want to see the compromise precedent of half-a-century ago trashed because it acknowledged the gestative reality, and distinguished between a microscopic, mindless amalgams of cells and a viable baby.

    The authoritarians are hellbent upon dictating their extremist notions to everyone, but are now squabbling over how draconian their agenda should be regarding the intrusiveness of the State:


    Some advocacy groups are demanding Republicans prioritize a federal 15-week abortion ban that Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) introduced earlier this year, which many lawmakers have been hesitant to cosponsor, while others insist the issue should be left to the states. Others still say the 15-week bill doesn’t go far enough because more than 90 percent of abortions in the U.S. happen before that point in pregnancy... On Friday, the conservative Christian legal group Alliance Defending Freedom filed a lawsuit on behalf of several anti-abortion organizations challenging the FDA’s approval of the abortion drug mifepristone.
    (Mifepristone only used to terminate a pregnancy which is not more than 63 days old, counting from the first day of the last menstrual period.)

    All recent ballot questions, even in very red states, have underscored Americans' love of liberty and respect for women.
     
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