White Suburban Women Swinging Toward Republicans

Viability is typically chosen because that is the first moment it could potentially survive on its on.

It is no more of an arbitrary point than any other metric.

As I have already said, I do not support a woman being a forced incubator to the state.

 

I'll ask you again:

Do you respect the right of women, recognized for half-a century under Roe v Wade, to obtain late abortions when serious fetal abnormalities are discovered and/or the health and/or life of the woman is endangered, or do you support authoritarian intervention by the State that denies women such vital medical care in such tragic cases?

Do you believe that any physician who is believed to have violated the third-trimester restrictions under Roe v Wade should be subject to prosecution?

Please provide links to some of the Republican prosecutors who brought such charges and the physicians who were so charged.

 

I have told you repeatedly I respect the principles on which we are founded at our self evident right to our lives endowed at creation. I have already dispelled you claim that late term abortions are only due to fetal anomalies which in fact is the RARE event. Now YOU deal with the fact that RvW allowed HEALTHY babies to be killed by HEALTHY mothers in the third trimester. Do you support restricting that which would have required the repeal of RvW?

 

It is an unscientific made up arbitrary point in time.

We have fetuses surviving outside the womb at clinics across this country they are quite "viable". Reconcile that fact.

I don't support forcing making women to become pregnant either. I also support our self evident right to life endowed at our creation how about you?

 

Your false statement that I claimed "that late term abortions are only due to fetal anomalies" aside, if you need to persist in refusing to answer whether you respect the right of women to obtain late term abortions when serious fetal abnormalities are discovered and/or the health and/or life of the woman is endangered, so be it.

I do.

Nor have you cited any instances of physicians being prosecuted for violating the third trimester restrictions under Roe v Wade. If there were any, I support their being prosecuted and readily say so.

Again, I find your authoritarian agenda of the State dictating in such a personal, private matter repugnant.

 

I have answered over and over and your defense of mothers killing their babies in the third trimester has been based on the extremely rare fetal anomolies. I showed you that most are not for that purpose nor required for that purpose. And of course if the mother faces an imminent threat to her life and will die and for some reason the baby cannot be saved she will lose the baby, but that is not the purposely killing the baby because the mother does not want it to live.

 

"Purposely killing the baby because the mother does not want it to live" was illegal under Roe v Wade, and I supported the law being enforced.

Who do you claim refused to enforce it?

I can understand your refusal to honestly answer tie simple question.

Do you respect the right of women to obtain late term abortions when serious fetal
abnormalities are discovered and/or the health and/or life of the woman is endangered?
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Obviously, only 1% of abortions being needed in the third trimester makes the "rare."

Politicians creating impediments in such dire medical circumstances is abhorrent to freedom-loving Americans.

That has political consequences. E.g.,

Pennsylvania women say they're in the fight of their lives
against Republicans Doug Mastriano and Mehmet Oz on abortion

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The point where an organism can survive on its own is not arbitrary.

It does change for each individual case but that doesn’t make it arbitrary

Great. How do you feel that is arbitrary?

There is not right to life endowed at fertilization. How absurd.

Over 50% of fertilized eggs fail to implant
Another 10-20%+ of the above result in miscarriage

And no being should be able to force another to take from themselves to sustain it.

 

What scientific test is there to show the exact point in time and when it is.

It is at creation, we are all CRATED equally with those self evident fundamental rights.

So what does that have to do with anything?

What? Parents are forced to support their children everyday under our laws. How does that trump the right to life?

 

The 1% is late term and for fetal anomalies, which could be Downs Syndrome you know, is a fraction of those.

"The Guttmacher Institute has provided a number of reports over 2 decades which have identified the reasons why women choose abortion, and they have consistently reported that childbearing would interfere with their education, work, and ability to care for existing dependents; would be a financial burden; and would disrupt partner relationships.3 A more recent Guttmacher study focused on abortion after 20 weeks of gestation and similarly concluded that women seeking late-term abortions were not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment. "

So stop with the red herring and deal with 99.5% of unnecessary late term abortion.

 

Parents are responsible for children under their care — they are not forced to keep those children under their care however.

That isn’t the case with zygotes and fetuses.

Can you really not comprehend the differences between a zygote and a toddler?

 

You have yet to document doctors being prosecuted for violating late term restrictions under Roe v Wade.

If you prefer the authoritarianism of an El Salvador, a Nicaragua, or an Iraq to the preponderance of advanced democratic nations that trust women to make personal decisions, so be it.

Despite the claim in the thread's title, most American women do not support your authoritarianism as was amply confirmed in the recent election.

 

The law can CERTAINALY force them to care for their children.

Of course I can comprehend the different stages of a human beings life you are trying to deny them. That is scientific folly.

 

I have no obligation to do so and is of no matter.