White "suremacy/nationalism", does it exist?

Does white supremacy/nationalism exist? Personally I would say no, a country that has just had an African American president and is more diverse and libertarian than ever surely cannot even contemplate such a thing. It really does seem to be a case of hysteria.

 

I voted that it exists, by just by a tiny minority. I figure that somewhere, in SOME obscure place, it probably does exist. But I have never met a white supremacist or ever seen one as far as I know. And I'm pretty old. There certainly aren't enough of them around to get upset about.

 

It only exists in dark corners of the Internet such as 8chan. Brenton Tarrant and Patrick Crusius were on the same anonymous message board, to which they posted their manifestos. Most of the anonymous extremists of the Internet are just trolling but a few of them take it too seriously and take action. The online message board 8chan was effectively knocked offline Monday after two companies cut off vital technical services.

 

@Reasonablerob


The problem comes from equating
White Nationalism with White Supremacy.

Yes, "we" deserve White Pride as much as
any other than white enjoys such "pride" events.


The problem is whenever someone tries to do it,
the Supremacist show up.
And they really mess things up like equating the CSA with Nazism.
And so we are denied as supremacists any celebration of White, European descent Pride.


Yes to White Pride.
No to White Supremacy.
Stop the confusion of the two!

Are s really "white"?
​

 

Yup, it exists, and some make white nationalism a very, very ugly thing.

There will never be, though, a unite the white rally with all the fascist trappings again.

 

Of course it exists, but they are a fringe minority of basement dwelling fonies who read the Daily Stormer and who see "Joos" in each and every corner. Their idols are Andrew Ugly and David Cuck and they are all a bunch of sad and pathetic failures who have nothing in their own lives to take pride in which is why they use skintone as a comfort blanket (think of the classic sandbox argument of "my daddy is stwongerer than yous daddy!").

However, it is not true that everyone who is not a Democrat is a White Nationalist.

 

I do not see how the two would be undependable phenomenons. As I see it, White Nationalism is an ideology that rests on the notion of White Supremacy. If you look at the movement's rhetorics and framework, it is inconceivable to classfy them as anything but White Supremacists.

But, what does even "White Pride" mean? It is such a laughable and incoherent term that it is almost as if comes from Monty Python or something. I mean, why would an Australian want to express "Estonian Pride" and why would a Russian want to express "Australian Pride"? It's just stupid.

"Whites" are not a homogenous group. But, I suppose that in the multiethnic hodgepodge that the US is, there is no real ethnos to build "national pride" on and the Supremacists have therefore felt they have to resort to skintone because the only thing that unites, say, an Italian with an Irishman is their skintone.

Canucks have neither gender nor race, Canucks are all part of the beautiful "peoplekind"...

 

White Nationalism (a white home) is interlinked forever with White Supremacy.

 

@Ritter

White Pride as in Pride in European ancestry
and creating the modern world.


Mexican Americans have their Latino Pride event in Los Angeles.
It never speaks to supremacy that I know.
My only regret is if they are gonna go Azteca, I want games
as the Aztec sponsored. Like loosing team dies, etc.

Pride does not have to equate with supremacy.


Maybe White Pride could also be about the victimization as the most
culturally appropriated group.
Skin Bleaching
Eye Rounding
Hair Straightening.
Nose Lengthening

 

Distinction without a difference

 

Yes and that is just bloody dumbtarded. What did a basement-dwelling meme-creator ever contribute to the creation of the modern world? And what does "European ancestry" ever mean? Us Europeans are not a lump of homogenity. Neither do we consider ourselves to be. There are plenty of Intra-European conflicts and many European nations have been in wars with each other.

"European Pride" is a bogus term and a pathetic way for rootless White Americans to exclude African Americans from the unifying label of "Americanness", despite the fact that Africans have been part of America much longer than many European groups have.

Lol.

Of course not. But, to the White Nationalists it does.

Cultural Appropriation is a good thing and the actual term for it is cultural diifusion.

It is just as easy to make the case that African Americans are the most culturally appropriated group:
- Rap music
- Jazz music
- Baggy clothing
- Butt implants
- Street dnacing
- Twerkin

Ayn Rand put it brilliantly when she wrote:

 

Ayn had her flaws, but when she was right she could be brilliant indeed.

 

I think she is an underrated fiction-writer. Philosophically, her ideas are not really that unique or spectacular at all. I agree with alot of it though.

 

No one, literally no one, is dumb enough or sheltered enough to think they don't exist.

 

Her "philosophy" as a whole is silly. She bases the whole thing on about the most obvious tautology I ever saw but she is clearly just trying to get the basic question of existence, which she sees as unimportant, out of the way..

Her aesthetics. though, is unique and intriguing. She sees man's greatest beauty in the heroic. The conclusions she draws from that are unfortunate, but not illogical

Her fiction is overblown and wordy. Her dialogue is abysmal, but then everyone is usually making a speech anyway.

Atlas Shrugged has one truly great "line" (more than Hemingway ever managed but he didn't swing that way) "I will stop the engine that moves the world" Unfortunately it's not he novel's "signature" which it could have done without entirely

 

Randian philosophy is juvenile.

The Russian emigre died at 77 on medicaid and SS.

 

No, it actually is not juvenile at all but very grown up - Independence, self-repect, happiness maximisation and responsibility.

Great ideals that are sadly lost in today's world. It would do the White Nationalists great good to read her.

 

No, Randian philosophy is sophomoric, placing the individual at the center of existence instead of family, community, and the well being of all. What is sad for Ayn is that she failed in her own view of the world, though.

 

I think white pride can manifest in lionizing "white" giants like J.S. Bach, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Cellini, Homer, Lucretius, Mozart (great God!) Shakespeare, Elon Musk, Edison, Dickens, Le Chef (hey now!), Will Durant (historian) and James Madison.

I love reading and thinking about them and I guess I'm conscious of their (and my) whiteness, and definitely conscious of their superiority, of their supremacy really, but I don't know why that's bad. When you're good, you're good.

Until people start calling for mistreatment and violation of legal rights of others, I don't care that they think or believe that their or another race is superior to another's. Don't we have freedom of thought?

 

I read an interesting essay about her by Florence King. She claimed Ayn Rand had a fear of anti semitism and was going on offense to defeat it. I don't know. To me she was just annoying.

 

The caricature of the "White Supremacist" is overblown 'agit-prop', perhaps much like the same sorts of caricatures of ANTIFA cadres. Both of them EXIST, but neither of these factions is a particularly influential segment. Remember: at the height of its power in Germany, the Nazi Party only included about 8 million members out of a population of 80 million in 'Greater Germany'.... Do the math -- 10%....

We who are geniuine American "nationalists", however, are much more prevalent. We're everywhere -- but we don't make big spectacles of ourselves. We love this country -- especially what it was when it truly WAS great. In the opinions of many of we "nationalists", nearly everything that has happened so far in the 21st-century has been tragic and disastrous for the United States -- and that clearly indictes the sixteen long, miserable years under both Idiot "W" Bush AND Idiot "Messiah" Obama! Trump is trying to undo many of the worse things that have happened to us since "9/11", but he makes mistakes, and has nothing but hateful, rock-solid opposition from radical Democrats.

But we who proudly identify as "nationalists" don't blame Black people, 'Brown' people, or anyone else on the basis of RACE! Most of us have welcomed LEGAL immigration, although we are sufficiently crowded now so that we really don't need any more immigration from anywhere, with 'migrants' of any race! Think: Today there are currently 330,000,000 of us... how's the traffic and parking situations in your town?

We should freely give 'work permits', "Green Cards", and whatever else is needed for foreigners to come here to work in areas where we do not have enough Americans to do the work effectively or efficiently, but also declare a moratorium on "immigration", per se, for at least five years until we can deal with the horrific mess that we've got on our hands right now!

 

No comprende!

The reply to the quote just doesn't make sense to me.


I guess a reply would be
Why not!
as best as I can comprende

 

I guess you have to hand it to Democrats, they finally built something that lasted, the KKK. If there is white nationalism/supremacy in America we know where it began.