Who are the REAL "native" people?

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can anyone name one country who's people didn't take the land from
    earlier peoples?
    I will nominate New Zealand. The modern Maori apparently found a
    pristine country - and set about killing off its amazing birds. I believe
    they also chartered a British ship to go and slaughter the natives on
    Chatham Islands.
    Am I right in saying that even American Indian culture "Clovis" came
    hard on the heels of an earlier culture which simply vanished after the
    Clovis people?
    And China - supposedly where Chinese originated, was once home to
    homo Erectus, which also vanished.
    And the Palestinians claim what was once the ancient Commonwealth
    of Israel.
    Japan and Hawai have their native people too.
    The ancestors of modern day Austalian aboriginals were widespread
    througout Asia until they were "replaced" by modern Asians - mostly
    from China.
    The hunt is on for Erectus in Australia too. And the African like Bradshaws
    of Western Australia have similarly vanished.
    I don't think Erectus, Neanderthal, any other hominin or ancient tribe
    just went away willingly.

    And having nominated who was where first - can we fix this thing once
    and for all? Then there will be no more argument about whites in South
    Africa, for instance.
     
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    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    Black Africa.

    Nobody wants it.

    Everybody leaves it.

    Nobody ever comes back to it.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well since humans began (in Nigeria I think) you have that and yes you are correct, they ended up in New Zealand.

    So basically those two only contain natives.
     
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    Native or not doesn't matter. Once a civilization takes out the previous civilization, it's theirs -- until it gets taken from them. Redux, redux, redux . . . . . .

    That's the complete history of the world.

    All civilization is temporary.

    But you should hold what you got until you can't hold it any longer, having killed as many of them as you possibly could kill.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Homo Erectus came out of Africa. So each and everyone of us are native to Africa. Not where we ended up. Neanderthal and us is now believed to have shared a common ancestor in Africa. So both originated in Africa.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/11/science/where-did-neanderthals-come-from.html

    now we also have the Denisovans or Denisova hominins. Since Denisovans and Neanderthals split from Homo sapiens around 744,000 years ago and diverged from each other 300 generations after that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denisovan

    They too would have the common ancestor in Africa which they split from. If all of this is correct, no other continent outside of Africa actually had a native population. Subject to new discoveries.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unless you go with the spontaneous evolution theory.

    Many scientists do and they have proof for it.
     
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    This is one of those ridiculous situations that doesn't stand up to much scrutiny. For example, the Maori undoubtedly had a few tribal wars where they killed the men and took over the job of mating the women. So now who is the native? The women who were enslaved? What about their children? Are they now natives of the land? And just where is the evidence that the maori did anything other than eat and sleep on the land to lay claim to it? No cities of any worth, no streets, no aqueducts...

    Can hunter gatherers even claim land? It's not like they work the land to build something of value, so how can they claim ownership of the land?
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like the Indians, they think because they were there that it belongs to them.

    It doesn't.

    Land belongs to whoever can stick their flag in it and defend it.

    Nobody has a right to anything.
     
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    Realistically yes, but morally, I'd say that working and improving the land turns it into property. It's like a branch on the ground. It belongs to nobody, but if I pick it up and whittle it into a walking stick, then it's my walking stick. Somebody can punch me in the face and take my walking stick, but that's immoral so it's still basically my walking stick even though I'm not in possession of it.

    The situation in south africa is like that. They turned fallow land into farms, and that makes it theirs. What the blacks are doing is the punch in the face.
     
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    Well not quite True A few have gone back It hasn't worked out well. See LIberia.
     
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    The Amerinds were busy taking land from each other, enslaving, raping and torturing each other, before Europeans did anything similar to them. We just did it more efficiently and humanely. Everyone born in the U.S. is a -real- native American by definition. Same for all other countries.
     
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    The Martians would disagree with everyone who posted.
     
  13. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually there are no native American. Everyones ancestors walked waded or boated here.
     

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