Who can recognize this sucker ?

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The thread "Who can recognize this sucker ?" was just a fun thread to see how many Marines could identify Old Smokey, aka Mt Mother ****. Mt. Mutha ****.

    Any Marine who went through boot camp at MCRDSD between 1950 through today climbed this ball busting hill while going through 2nd ITR or todays SOI at (52 Area) Camp San Onofre.

    It seems that vman12 ID the ball busting hill first by posting a photo without revealing the name of the hill.

    The thread is now dead unless someone wants to chime in on Mt. Mother **** or any other ball busting climbs aboard Camp Pendleton like Sheep Sh!t.

    Any Marine who was sent to Vietnam went through Staging Battalion that was located at (43 Area) Las Pulgas and remembers Sheep Sh!t.
    Yiostheory remembers Sheep Sh!t. I remember Sheep Sh!t. Anyone else ?

    1/2 of all Marines who served from 1950 climbed Mt Mother **** at least once.
     
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    Forget topographical maps. I’ve seen 3D radar maps of the area around Tora Bora. There isn’t a way to block the passes from the Afghanistan side. You’d have to do it from the Pakistan side.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    3D maps are for people who can't read topographical maps.

    I'm surprised on how many of todays soldiers and Marines who don't know how to use a map and compass today. They have become so dependent on technology. If they lose that technology on the battlefield which is extremely likely if we find ourselves in a war with Russia, they are fu#ked big time.
     
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    A map and compass is fundamental.

    Btw how many men does it take to support just one unit of 6 artillery/howitzers?
     
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    How would we lose 3D maps if we went to war with Russia?
     
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    What good are 3D maps on the battlefield ? Could you use one to call in an artillery fire support mission ? No.

    Military maps might look like U.S. Geological Service topographical maps that use longitude and latitudes and elevation but military maps are actually surveyors maps that uses surveying grids.

    https://www.maptools.com/tutorials/mgrs/quick_guide

    http://earth-info.nga.mil/GandG/publications/tm8358.1/toc.html

    There are also charts that are used for navigation at sea or in the air.

     
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    Every 3D map I ever worked with had lat/long calculators built into them with degrees of accuracy equivalent to top shelf commercial surveying gear, which is what the were developed from.

    Not only can you use them to call in fire support missions, we regularly did with accuracy to within 1 meter.
     
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    GPS is always right on when it comes to latitude but is always off on longitude. Can be by a foot to hundreds of feet depending where you are at.

    That's why GPS surveying can't be introduced as evidence in a court of law dealing with property line disputes. Been there done that.

    If you look at newer USGS topographical maps today either at the right or at the bottom there's formula to use to find where exactly where you are on the map when using GPS.

    I'm not dumping on 3D maps, they are cool to look at and have their purposes.

    I'm a map freak, have been since my MOS in the Marine Corps required me to be an expert at reading a map. And guess where I really learned about maps and land navigation ? Not in the military but as a Boy Scout.

    I collect maps and navigation charts and have a nice large collection that would make most research libraries and museums blush.

    When I was a yachty I took USCG courses and a college course on learning how to use a sextant. Got good but not good enough in my opinion.

    Always thought of creating the perfect map using longitude, latitude, altitude couture lines, foliage, GPS, solving the problem with magnetic north deviations, surveyor maps, 2D and 3D maps, navigation charts all on one map.
     
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    Both of the above are bullshit claims.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Believe what you want, or do some research.

    May I suggest how an airplane using GPS is able to land on a runway without landing off the runway.
     
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    I used GPS literally every day with my job. Longitude always being off is patently false.
     
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    What is the government's commitment to GPS accuracy?
    The government is committed to providing GPS at the accuracy levels specified in the GPS Standard Positioning Service (SPS) Performance Standard. VIEW DOCUMENT

    The accuracy commitments do not apply to GPS devices, but rather to the signals transmitted in space. For example, the government commits to broadcasting the GPS signal in space with a global average user range error (URE) of ≤7.8 m (25.6 ft.), with 95% probability. Actual performance exceeds the specification. On May 11, 2016, the global average URE was ≤0.715 m (2.3 ft.), 95% of the time.

    To be clear, URE is not user accuracy. User accuracy depends on a combination of satellite geometry, URE, and local factors such as signal blockage, atmospheric conditions, and receiver design features/quality...
    https://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/performance/accuracy/
     
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    Not surprised. I also learned to use a compass and read a map as a scout. Currently practicing the same along with GPS on night hikes (2-5 miles). I'd like to get night vision, for both hikes and star gazing. I've got some good bino's for that too.

    Got an internet viewable example of the type of map you are talking about?

    I've really learned my area from both old maps (back to the 1800's) and google earth/google maps 3d is awesome.
     
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    Thank you for proving your own claim is bullshit.
     
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    Recheck your history.

    In 1973 North Vietnam sued for peace. And in the Paris Peace Accords, they agreed to a large number of demands for that peace. Including full recognition of the 1954 Agreement on Division, full recognition of the existence and sovereignty of South Vietnam, to disband all guerrilla forces operating in South Vietnam, and they would continue as 2 separate nations as they tried to work out their issues.

    To bad NV was not to be trusted and simply invaded again 2 years later. After the US pulled out as agreed.

    So no, the US did not loose the war, it won. NV simply could not be trusted to keep their agreements.
     
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    What ever you do don't do what I did and purchase a Russian night vision scope, they are garbage. About as good as the night vision optics from fifty years ago that we used in Vietnam.

    Most younger people today are unaware that during the day time you have a compass on your wrist that is very accurate. We learned that in the Boy Scouts and also in the military.

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    It was never good. I only ate there when I had to for O/D.
     
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    Probably means the ones available from the USGS. You can buy them direct online, or download and print them from here:

    https://nationalmap.gov/ustopo/index.html

    When my wife bought a gold claim sight unseen that is where I went to get a good idea of what the terrain was like. 1:50,000 is generally the best ones to use.
     
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    delete
     
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    Apacherat started the topic. The issue is not if he pleases you or not.
     
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    How well did that work for Hitler and Tojo during WW2? How could America win the war given what you said?
     
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    That is 100 percent correct. I never trust Democrats on their telling of history.
     
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    If you are so ignorant of military affairs to not know the difference between a high intensity war between nation-states and a low intensity war against insurgents, then you are too ignorant to have an opinion worthy of consideration on this topic.
     
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    Why didn't you simply say you do not know?
     
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    We beat Hitler and Tojo regardless of collateral damage because those were high intensity conflicts against nation-states and their armies, and not low intensity conflicts against insurgents were every civilian death bolsters the insurgent cause.

    But if you are too stupid about military affairs to not know a 101-level concept like that, maybe you should color while we adults go back to talking?
     

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