Who is Jesus Christ?

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  1. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not believe that God reads minds; I believe He writes them.

    I can write a story in which a character knows that they are a character and that I am their author. I can even create a dialog with that character in which they express their amazement that they are a character and that I am their author. However, that dialog is not a conversation; it is a condescension.

    There is one other way in which an author can condescend to his characters. The author can write himself into his novel work as a character. The author is no less the author because he is also a character, and his character is no less a character than any other of the characters.

    Jesus Christ is God's character incarnate.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    "Jesus" (Yeshua) is Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies? That's nice.
     
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    A superstar isn't he? [​IMG] I don't know any other Jesus Christs!
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Who was Jesus Christ? He was a prophet. Nothing less, nothing more. An amazing prophet to inspire so many for so many hundreds of year, but only a prophet.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Link please? I mean, I know it's out of fashion these days, but some of us don't believe everything we're told unless we have some kind of tangible evidence? Mind you we're outnumbered a zillion to one by those who do.
     
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    Jesus Christ - Jesus Meshiach (whatever spelling you use) - Jesus, anointed one.
    The same term can be used for many OT Prophets, Kings and teachers anointed with oil.
    Prophet? Most prophecy in the Bible can be attributed to writings of the times or after the occurrence and astute reading of outcomes of situations. Whoever wrote the first portion of Isaiah could see Israel's (Northern Kingdom) defiance of Assyria and could see, and predict, the outcome. Without going into detail Judah defied the Babylonians by joining Egypt against them. It was obvious what was going to happen. It happens all the time by forward-thinking people who can 'read' the times. Churchill read the situation - and Hitler - like a book. He was ignored. It happened to another politician who shall be nameless.
    The supposed prophesy of Jesus in Isaiah has nothing to do with Jesus - unless you're a Christian taught that it has. . It was written centuries before Jesus and was already interpreted by the Jews as being related to their nation. And that was long before Christianity.
    Jesus was a Jewish preacher - pure and simple. He saw a Priesthood that, in his opinion, had lost its way with regard to Yahweh, and told them so forthrightly. For that he lost his life.
     
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    Is Jesus the Father ? If so, there is no Trinity.
     
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    I can tell you he is not Daniel Lubetzky.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jesus is God's character.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An act is a complex of intent, affect (cause) and effect.
    The God of the bible is one. There is one God of the bible. However, when the God of the bible acts, the intent is always attributed to the Father, the affect is always attributed to the Holy Spirit and the effect is always attributed to the Son. The only instances of distinction between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in the bible, are when God acts, and it's always in the economy outlined above. One can say that Jesus is effectively God. The Holy Spirit is affectively God, and the Father is, for all intents and purposes, God.
    A person is a being that has intellect, emotion and volition (will).
    The Father, Son and Holy Spirit have their own individual intellects, emotions and volitions.
    That's what makes them individual persons; however, their individual intellects, emotions and volitions are infinitely identical. That's what makes them one.

    The words I wrote above are not, in and of themselves, my intent. The words that I wrote above are my affect. The words I wrote above effectively affect my intent. My intent, meanwhile, remains where it's always been, seated on the throne of my mind.

    The author is not the character. The character can have the author's character. The character can be the author's character. There is an indispensable distinction, even when there is no difference between the author and the character. Indeed, the "trinity" is a distinction without a difference.
     

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