Who is the Beast in The Book of Revelations?

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  1. margot3

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    The son of Perdition was Emperor Domitian.
     
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    Short and sweet, yet very well said!!
     
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    lol sure sure
     
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    The people of the first century understood the symbolism in Revelation perfectly... Revelation tells you WHO the letter is written to and when it will take place. By what authority do you change that?
     
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    Are you serious? WOW!!!!

    Only one can open the seven seals. And it has not been opened yet!
     
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    Vespasian had four generals .. they are probably the 4 horsemen. You might approach the seals in the following manner.

    Second Seal: War
    “And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.”

    – Revelation 6:3-4
     
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    I'm not sure if your in agreement or not.
    Are you trying to tell me that the literal "sword" is more powerful than nuclear bombs. Because to me, that is what a great sword is. And such a sword could take peace from the "earth" and not just a select location.
     
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    The tribulation was terrible.. famine, death, disease and war like they'd never seen
     
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    How do you know?

    The images of this book mainly come from the Jewish Scriptures given to the Jews. Including the New Jerusalem, and the water of life, the horsemen, the seals and many other things. Christian doctrine has been added to include Jesus.
     
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    Perhaps we should send jrr777 back to 70 and 130 CE to understand the destruction etc.
     
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    HELLO!! Tell me, what about this is not the end?

    Revelation 20 KJB-
    20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

    9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

    10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
     
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    That's OK but Satan is not the enemy of god. Satan was given the task of testing men's faith. He only appears as an enemy of God in the New Testament.

    While the writer does not directly refer to the OT nearly everything either refers or alludes to OT Scriptures in Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah and Psalms. So it is hardly unique. A rehash of Jewish scriptures with christian additions.

    Every serious student of Revelation is aware of the fact that the imagery of this final book of the New Testament is borrowed from the Old Testament. Thus the Apocalypse becomes a sort of “code book” (the interpretative key to which lies in the Old Testament), gloriously foretelling the ultimate triumph of the Cause of the Almighty.

    The background behind the names “Gog” and “Magog” is found in the book of Ezekiel, where certain hostile forces come against Israel. Ezekiel was instructed to denounce these enemies and prophesy their overthrow by the Lord himself. Here is the text:

    “And the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him, and say, ‘Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal: and I will turn thee about, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them handling swords’” (Ezekiel 38:1-4).

    The identification of this evil entity has long been a point of controversy among Bible scholars. Clearly, though, Ezekiel’s “Gog” represented a sinister power that came against ancient Israel, but was defeated.

    Expositors are divided as to exactly what this force was. Vos (p. 514) identified “Gog” with “Gyges,” a Lydian king (c. 680-645 B.C.), but Harrison (p. 890) argued that other possibilities are equally valid, e.g., “Gaga,” mentioned in the Amarna tablets, or “Gago, king of the city-state of Sabi.”

    Professor William White thought that “perhaps the most attractive application is to the Seleucids of the days of Antiochus Epiphanes.” He noted that it was not uncommon to employ an earlier name for a later power, as a means of avoiding political danger, should the actual name have been mentioned. He further observed that the territory of the Seleucids was centered in Northern Syria, and included also “Meshech and Tubal in Asia Minor” (pp. 42-43).

    So, in like fashion, John, in the Apocalypse, borrows this imagery from the former prophet and applies it to what some scholars believe is a projected terminal assault against truth at some point before — perhaps in close proximity to — the return of Christ. When this might occur, and in what form it could manifest itself, is not revealed. But the outcome is certain.

    Whole article https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/986-gog-and-magog-what-is-the-meaning-of-revelation-20-8
     
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    Satan will be destroyed cast into the fire. Is that something one does with their friend, or enemy?
     
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    Satan? What Satan? God's chosen worker - or Christianities enemy of god.

    Quote. So, in like fashion, John, in the Apocalypse, . borrows this imagery from the former prophet and applies it to what some scholars believe is a projected terminal assault against truth at some point before — perhaps in close proximity to — the return of Christ. When this might occur, and in what form it could manifest itself, is not revealed.
     
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    A week or two ago I was praying and I asked Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus in his
    afterlife form to go and visit Azazel Baalzebub and ask him if he would accept the new
    name from me, Dennis Tate.

    The new name is Abner Paul Azazel.

    I also asked Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus if he would go and visit Lucifer/ Satan and ask him if he
    would accept a new name from me, Dennis Tate..... and the new name is
    Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan!

    Do you think that the two of them would be insulted by my suggestions to
    Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus in his permanent after lifestate...... as Natan, the Israeli
    near death experiencer stated many Rabbi's do attain!
     
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    The old man Dennis Tate that
    is gradually but genuinely replaced by
    Christ in me......
    is in a way..... being destroyed and cast in the fire......
    because i do feel the fire of G-d's Holy Spirit hotter than
    a year or two ago........

    There is a saying in Judaism that the fire within the hearts and minds of Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah,
    (the friends of the Prophet Daniel who King Nebuchadnezzar cast into a furnace....).....
    had such a hot fire within themselves that the fire of the king could not burn them.......
     
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    Sorry. I have a job to believe you're real.
     
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    Google Pictou Centre, Nova Scotia, 2006
    and you can see that I got 20 votes for my
    campaign.

    www.BankingSystemFlaws.BlogSpot.ca/

    Just scroll down to 2006....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictou_Centre



    Auditions for the role of Elijah needed....


    Oh... for the record... I am not being entirely altruistic.....
    what I have in my head..... if a few somewhat influential people who
    are fascinated by philosophy, economics and politics grab onto it...... it could turn out
    that I end up making significantly more money than I do now as a cleaner!
     
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    I'm sure you're a person. But your 'wild' beliefs in NDE's etc, and your interpretations of man-made scriptures, people and events that never actually existed etc. beats me.. Anyway, you're entitled to your own thinking.
     
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    I can tell you about somebody on this discussion forum who inspires far, far, far, far more
    disbelief even than I do.

    I have actually nominated the man for the role of Moshiach ben Ephrayim / Messiah son of Joseph.

    Notice post #41 here:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-for-the-role-of-elijah-needed.499830/page-3


     
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    If you like fairy stories I suppose it's good reading. Of course, in a previous reincarnation I WAS Elijah, and, Oh boy, those false prophets were a nuisance on that mountain. Still, they and Jezebel, got their deserts. :clapping:

    Personally I like reality.
     
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    If you go back far enough you will run into a spiritual leader in your past lives who will basically be playing in the major leagues...... somewhat like an Elijah, Moses or a David...... and soon the more feeble residents of Jerusalem will be comparable to King David for courage, wisdom and an attitude of thankfulness and praise.
     

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