Who is the man of lawlessness?

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not sure what the point of stating that Thess 2 was included in the Marcion Canon is ? It is including in Canon today as well but, this does not make Thess 2 any less of a forgery - "pious fraud".

    Arguments with respect to the "flat earth" debate continue on both sides - this does not make the flat earth theory plausible. I don't think the arguments for Pauline authoriship are as dumb as "flat earth" arguments - the analogy simply points out that just because there are arguments on the other side of a position - does not make those arguments good.

    Indeed authorship is of critical importance to the message in this case. This is not some general truth - such as the Golden rule - being expounded upon.

    The message is one of apocalyptic narrative coupled with the claim that God himself has deluded people into believing what is false ?!

    1) Why would God do such a thing ? - intentionally turn people away from him ?
    2) If indeed it is true that God has done this - how does anyone know up from down ? How do you know that you are not one of the deluded ones ?
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Why? We have welshers here. Bet you did not say a word and the welsher in question, volunteered it was not goaded by another member, like you have done here.
     
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    You do realise the pictures you labelled as "satan" are actually photoshopped images of Obama? Take your nonsense to the conspiracy board not here.
     
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    The book is included in the Bible for a reason. God felt fit to see to it included so it's there. The references I included are from a relatively early date, giving the book some added historical credibility in my opinion. You can postulate your forgery narrative all you want - at the end of the day we cannot know the specific origins but God saw it fit to include it, so I will trust his judgement over yours.

    Look, based on the above comment its clear you dont have a sound biblical or theological point of view - but Im not going to hold that against you. We all have to learn at our own rate.

    God saw fit to include the narrative (2nd thess) in the Bible, so I am going to interpret this just as I would any other scripture from the Bible. Since the writings and books of the bible are truly inspired by God he would see it fit to make sure it was exactly the message he wanted to get out, no more no less.

    Right - it says for this reason God will send a powerful delusion -

    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    I would argue, or postulate that this "strong delusion" is exactly whats happening in the left wing as we speak. The lie that Trump is like Hitler. The lie that Trump is corrupt. The lie that Trump hates immigrants . And this goes on and on and is re-enforced every day by the liberal media spinning yarn, so the lies are told at such a rate, people eventually cannot distinguish between what's true and what is purely fiction, to the point where they are totally delusional.

    So, I would argue, that the left wing and its gross misinterpretation of what Trump represents qualifies as being this "strong delusion" as talked about in the scripture, strong enough to the point where they are actually going to impeach and eject a sitting president who has done nothing wrong.

    So if anything, I think this lends more credence to my theory that Obama may in fact, be the man of lawlessness, as we are defining all the major components surrounding this scripture, i.e. I am providing sound context.
     
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    Actually, those images are from a TV mini series, they are NOT photoshopped...

    Producers of Son of God, which is based on the hugely popular 2013 TV mini-series The Bible, said they had removed the offending episodes. The veteran Moroccan actor Mohamen Mehdi Ouazanni, who viewers and commentators said closely resembled Obama, will not appear in the film .

    "It gives me great pleasure to tell you that the devil is on the cutting-room floor. This is now a movie about Jesus, the son of God, and the devil gets no more screen time," producer Roma Downey revealed during an interview with the Hollywood Reporter. She said the controversy over Satan's appearance had overshadowed the TV series' intended religious message: "Someone made a comment that the actor who played the devil vaguely resembled our president, and suddenly the media went nuts," Downey said. "The next day, when I was sure everyone would only be talking about Jesus, they were talking about Satan instead.
     
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    Incorrect, here is the source of the pic

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    Satan in the miniseries "The Bible." Photo courtesy of The History Channel.
     
  7. Derideo_Te

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    Obama is the antichrist and your BLOTUS is the 2nd coming of your savior?

    [​IMG]

    This has to be one of the FUNNIEST religious CONSPIRACIES of all time!
     
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    Its in the religious forum for a reason, not sure what's so funny about talking about religious matters in the religious forum?

    Dont mind this fellow. He only serves to re-enforce my point of view, that liberals are believing a strong delusion, he doesnt know any better.
     
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    :roflol:

    Ironic PROJECTION duly noted FTR!

    YOU are IMPOSING your religion on the SECULAR POLITICS of our nation!

    That makes this an ABSURD conspiracy theory which belongs with all of the other conspiracy nonsense.

    Do a little research and you will discover that LEADERS throughout HISTORY have been accused of being the "anti-christ".

    https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-7-most-popular-contenders-for-the-antichrist/

    Conspiracies are always based upon some utterly BOGUS "evidence", such as the bible in the OP, and used as "justification" for the asinine conspiracy.

    Since you PROMISED to LEAVE when your conspiracy falls apart next month you won't have to worry about ruining whatever shreds of credibility you might have left after posting this hilarious nonsense.

    But thanks for providing what has to be the most amusing conspiracy that I have encountered in a long time.
     
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    I am at a hopeless loss -

    The book is included in the Bible for a reason. God felt fit to see to it included so it's there.

    Explain how it is that you know God's thoughts on the issue ?
     
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  11. FatBack

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    Yes, the entire nation is certainly, reading this thread. Talk about "conspiracy".
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Inane strawman your only response?

    Sad!
     
  13. FatBack

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    Wrong, it's what YOU said. A strawman is if I put words in your mouth, I quoted YOUR words. Try again.
     
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    While very humorous for joking purposes... this particular TV version of Sataniel does have a resemblance to Obama - especially if you applied aging software ...

    You are not seriously basing your opinion of who the anti christ is on the basis of some TV pictorial depiction of "Satan" are you ?

    Must be sarcasm .. :)
     
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    More bovine excrement!

    This is what YOU POSTED;

    NOWHERE did I mention who was reading it, let alone the "entire nation", which is WHY what YOU posted was a STRAWMAN!
     
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    Did you, or did you not, say this?

    YOU are IMPOSING your religion on the SECULAR POLITICS of our nation!

    Unless you say something like "part of our nation" saying "Our Nation" indicates the whole Nation.
     
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    Yes, but that is NOTHING like your STRAWMAN allegation that " Yes, the entire nation is certainly, READING THIS THREAD."

    You CREATED your READING strawman!

    That is YOUR problem, not mine!
     
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    You forgot to quote this from my post...
    Unless you say something like "part of our nation" saying "Our Nation" indicates the whole Nation.

    Or need to give me a couple minutes to quote me and/or not edit it
     
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    The QUOTE function allows anyone to select PART of the text that is RELEVANT so it was NOT EDITED, just QUOTED for RELEVANCE!

    YOU introduced the READING strawman, not me!

    Own it!
     
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    Unless you say something like "part of our nation" saying "Our Nation" indicates the whole Nation.
     
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    Which part of the term "READING" needs to be explained?

    The term I actually used was IMPOSING on the nation, NOT reading.

    Words have MEANINGS!
     
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    Oh damn, snap...
    I shall go to bed, thoroughly chastised...

    Anyhow, nap time, later.
     
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    Sleep well!
     
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    The voters. Ain’t rocket science, dude.
     
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    Did not work out well, tossed for a couple hours and went to MCyDs
     

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