Who is the most evil person who ever lived

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Aleksander Ulyanov, Mar 4, 2014.

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Who is the most evil person to ever live

  1. Adolf Hitler

    27 vote(s)
    18.4%
  2. Joseph Stalin

    21 vote(s)
    14.3%
  3. Pol Pot

    17 vote(s)
    11.6%
  4. Genghis Khan

    9 vote(s)
    6.1%
  5. Other

    73 vote(s)
    49.7%
  1. btthegreat

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    Pope Innocent IV. the man who wrote that endearing piece of ecclesiastical law, so full of Christian charity, papal bull Ad extirpanda.
     
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    Didn't Churchhill do the same?
     
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    What a weird way of thinking this question reveals. All it produces are silly prejudices about a very small well-known group of people as seen by media. How do you judge 'evil' anyway? God, are you?
     
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    Doesn't Mao get some love on your list?
     
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    Hirohito could have stopped his country's aggressive/murderous tactics with one word, stop. His word was final.
     
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    Prolly
     
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    Please speak for yourself.
     
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    I don't think that the body count incurred under a leader's regime is synonymous with their being "evil". I think a better word for the purposes of this poll is "malevolent" because it goes to the intent of the individual.
    Which leader took the most joy or dedicated the most time in purposefully inflicting misery.
    The responses on this poll are also based on the victors having written the history so the malevolent criminality of Allied Leaders is underrated.

    For example, it was Eisenhower's INTENT that millions of German POWs suffer a painful and miserable death:

    "GERMAN HOLOCAUST GERMAN GENOCIDE: 9-15 Million Germans Killed 1945 – 1953 Post WW2 “The Morgenthau Plan” EISENHOWER’S DEATH CAMPS “A Forgotten Genocide”

    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2014/...eisenhowers-death-camps-a-forgotten-genocide/

    EXCERPT “ Scanned images of the text of the cover story published in the September 1989 issue of Saturday Night describes Eisenhower’s barbarism. Here is the truth.

    Bacque tells the truth about how Eisenhower murdered thousands of German prisoners of war AFTER the surrender. Many of those starving soldiers and piles of dead bodies you have seen in atrocity photos were NOT Jews, they were Germans.

    General George Patton (who released all his German prisoners) wrote in 1945 that Eisenhower was using “practically Gestapo methods” in torturing and killing German POWs.

    In August 1944 Dwight D. Eisenhower (who in the early 1960s ordered the assassination of Patrice Lamumba) and Henry C. Morgenthau came up with the Morgenthau Plan to inflict collective punishment upon the German people following the end of the Second World War.

    This was, basically, a plan to starve millions of Germans, mostly citizens, to death.

    Although the plan was officially cancelled, it was in fact implemented. Between 1945 and 1953 it is estimated between 9 to 15 million ethnic Germans were killed, mainly civilians

    Who are the good guys?

    This shocking book shreds the notion of a higher moral authority most Americans take for granted as their legacy of victory in WWII. Mr. Bacque sifts through reams of Army records and exposes the cover-ups, obfuscations, and downright distortions perpetrated by Army high command in the heady days following Allied victory in Europe. He details General Eisenhower’s nearly pathological hatred of Germany and the German people and his systematic starvation and neglect of disarmed German soldiers and civilians. The death count is staggering, and the behavior of those in command, criminal. All the more so, because this type of spiteful retribution was unbeknownst and contrary to the will of the American people. The foreword is by Dr. Ernest F. Fisher, Jr. A retired Colonel, and senior historian for the U.S. Army.”CONTINUED
     
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    Please don't CONTINUE this. We don't need a part two on this topic. We got it the whole idea, from part 1.
     
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    People that steal the toilet paper, that's pure evil.
     
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    I voted for Stalin. While Hitler indeed triggers a stronger emotional response for me, thinking it fully through Stalin did have millions more killed and had a very icy personality and lived an austere life obsessed only with pure power. While there is no excuse for the holocaust, Hitler was by far a more complex individual.
     
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    Not buying that. Neither does anyone whith the most rudimentary knowledge about the subject.
     
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    The OP left out a certain James Savile, Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, Ian Huntley, Fred and Rosemary West - and a few more I could mention from the upper echelons of UK society who got away with it?
     
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    After the Meiji Restoration in 1867, the Emperor was the embodiment of all sovereign power in the realm, as enshrined in the Meiji Constitution of 1889, His current status as a figurehead dates from the 1947 Constitution, that was AFTER WW2. Apparently you don't have a rudimentary knowledge about the subject. Try again.
     
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    Do read up on the Japanese Army in the appropriate period, and find out just how much they were controlled by this 'sovereign power'. It does make my point, however, as to the silliness of shouting about 'evil' when we know little or nothing of the history concerned, which is always the case.
     
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    History is usually written by folks with agenda, interpreted by folks who have a limited capacity for comparative context, harbour cultural biases, and whose moral criteria have inevitably changed.

    I'll trust to personal experience for this one:

    Kelly.

    He was notorious for unexpectedly running into dorm rooms naked, flailing a machete, leaping onto beds, and humping pillows.
     
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    In WW2 Japan had an absolute monarchy, The Meiji Restoration restored their power. America took it away.
     
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    Probably somebody that nobody ever heard of.
     
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    It so defined itself, conceivably. The army did what it pleased. I expect it was an absolute army! :)
     
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    And what happened to Hirohito? You guys all but occupied Japan after WWII. Surely you would make such a "criminal" pay, don't you?

    As I said, nobody with a least a rudumentary knowledge of Japan would espouse your Yank-centric view, that is still tuned to WWII cartoons.
     
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    I agree with you that:
    Additionally, he did remarkably good things in rebuilding Germany & was justified in violating the cruel & draconian Treaty of Versailles.

    The dismal conditions created by the Allied Powers in Post WW 1 Germany made a WW 2 inevitable

    Few people know of the many post WW 1 Allied crimes against Germany(1) or the Polish massacres of German civilians (2) that triggered WW 2.

    (1)"The Allied Attempt to Starve Germany in 1919"

    https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/starvation1919.html

    EXCERPT "Even after an armistice ended World War I, the rapacious victors continued a devastating blockade of Germany.
    If one word could describe Germany during the immediate aftermath of World War I, it would be "starvation." And yet, while some 900,000 German men, women and children were starving to death, the American and British public knew nothing about the reason for this holocaust, deliberately caused by the continuation of a wartime British naval blockade.

    Britain's post-war naval blockade of food to Germany in 1919 matched the then current blockade of news by the American and British press. Even today, only a few non-Germans know the truth, and American and British historians, for the most part, have participated in the coverup of this most appalling crime."CONTINUED


    (2) "The 1939 Danzig Massacres of ethnic Germans which caused Hitler to invade Poland"
    http://fr.soc.histoire.narkive.com/...-germans-which-caused-hitler-to-invade-poland
    EXCERPT "The 1939 Danzig Massacres

    In the months leading up to the German invasion the Polish Army and

    independent Bolshevik units had been slaughtering German nationals in

    the Danzig corridor. Mass killings of thousands of civilian ethnic

    Germans (Volksdeutsche) by both civilian and Russian NDVK Jews, who

    were confident that Poland would quickly defeat Germany. Many

    apparently expected to take possession of German farms and businesses.

    An estimated 58,000 German civilians lost their lives in the massacres

    carried out prior to the 1939 invasion.



    Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at

    least as early as April 1939, with smaller incidents stretching back to

    the close of WW I -- you haven't been told that by the Mass Media, or

    the fact that these atrocities were one of the main causes for the

    German invasion of Poland."CONTINUED
     
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    One god? Is not the Christian god a three in one god?
     
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    Since there are many truly evil individuals in history, I think if you just factor in body count the choices would be narrowed down to just 3 choices: Stalin, Mao and somebody else.

    I don't know if anyone has also commented on the omission of King Leopold of Belgium.
     
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    We were discussing during ww2. Hirohito remained Emperor after WW2 because the US/MacArthur felt leaving him as the figurehead of the nation would keep the Japanese people in line better than trying to browbeat them into obedience. They were right. The ONLY reason the Japanese people accepted the American occupation was because Hirohito personally ordered them to in the first ever radio broadcast by a Japanese Emperor. Of course you would know that if you are student of WW2 history.
     

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