Who is your favorite leader?

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  1. DarkOrder2017

    DarkOrder2017 New Member

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    Mine is, Alexander the Great.
    There were a few reasons.
    He was a psychopath, a narcissist and a great general.
    He took revenge on the Persians, was brave enough to participate in battles and take an arrow.
     
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    Military leader or politician? We would need to specify this question. As for military leader, I would vote for Napoleon or Alexander Suvorov. The first one was really invincible, the latter was undefeatable. I also adore Joan of Arc. Lots of great military leaders to admire we have.

    As for politicians, again we have an oodle of great people to admire. Let it be George Washington, Aib Lincoln, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Charles de Gaulle, Indira Ghandi and many others.

    A great thread to give vent to your feelings about people and a pity such threads go down because OP doesn't get into details.
     
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    In my lifetime it has to be Winston Churchill. He stood toe to toe with Hitler and inspired his people to victory.
     
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    For me those: Cruz, Trump and Hitler.
     
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    I have a few ones:

    Vladimir Lenin
    Leon Trotsky
    Fidel Castro
    Ho Chi Minh
     
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    Jan III Sobieski, an outstanding military general, who came to the rescue for Europe, and Austria against the Islamic Turks.
     
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    Cruz issues are if I know he:

    * NATO members yet.
    * The EU favorites country Austria.
    * Vodka times in Precentialy house.
    * Illegal Immigration.

    :love:
     
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    Augusto Pinochet. This dictator has made democracy.

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    He was demonised by superficial thinkers for saving Chile from disaster at the hands of the extreme left.
     
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    Alexander the Great. - this is a great military leader, but as the leader of his country, he was a nobody.
     
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    Genghis Khan. On more than one occasion I've been accused of being to the right of Genghis Khan! :cool: [​IMG]
     
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    Alexander Hamilton was a genius and not a bad military leader. He wasn't the President, but he might as well have been. He had ambition, charisma, creativity, intellect, and honor. He had his share of flaws, but he was still a damn good leader and innovator, even for a time when Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Benjamin Franklin were alive. I'd put him up there with the greats.
     
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    Not sure who I may name, I never had a specific favorite - all of them had good deeds and bad ones, good ideas and mistakes.

    Maybe, Ghandy, I guess? His non-violent opposition to British Empire was rather original - and proven being effective.
     
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    That Alexander the great was a good general is the only "good" thing about him. I wonder if they had butt plugs back then. Because he probably could have used one. There is only one leader who truly deserves the title of greatest leader. This guy.
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    A great leader in wartime sure, his military background came in very handy and it is hard to imagine a better person at the time. A pretty poor leader in peacetime though, his un-doubting belief in Empire proved woefully out of date and his destain for women's suffrage,Ghandi's pleas for self determination in India and his refusal to entertain an independent Ireland show some of his many shortfalls.
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    Mmmm, if leading your country unflinchingly into total destruction and a bankruptcy of morals leading to one of the greatest crimes against humanity of the 20th century are signs of greatness then sure...........
     
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    Why not Pol Pot? He was the greatest Communist that every lived, that created the most perfect classless society known to man.
     
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    I'm curious as to your choice of de Gaulle amongst a list of political leaders. A great wartime and military leader but a pretty poor political leader.
     
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    George Washington was our greatest President.

    Alexander the Great was a great leader, but his sexual tastes and acts of brutality really taint his leadership record.
     
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    Churchill may have been a poor peacetime leader but he did win a Nobel Prize for literature in 1953. What was it Obama won his Nobel Prize for I forget?


    https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1953/
     
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    Obama won it for his skin color and Leftwing views.

    Other sites give the top 4 military leaders of all time as:

    1. ALEXANDER THE GREAT
    2. JULIUS CAESAR
    3. GENGHIS KHAN
    4. NAPOLEON

    https://sohopress.com/the-10-greatest-leaders-of-all-time/
     
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    The top four all time military leaders are three white Europeans and one Asian warlord? Actually not a bad selection I'm hoping US general Mad Dog Mattis makes the list some day soon.
     
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    He wasn't a communist at all and just some crazy ass CIA puppet.
     
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    Sorry, but Pol Pot was a communist almost all his retched life. 2 million were killed to achieve his perfect utopia.

    An attempt by Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot to form a Communist peasant farming society resulted in the deaths of 25 percent of the country's population from starvation, overwork and executions.

    Pol Pot was born in 1925 (as Saloth Sar) into a farming family in central Cambodia, which was then part of French Indochina. In 1949, at age 20, he traveled to Paris on a scholarship to study radio electronics but became absorbed in Marxism and neglected his studies. He lost his scholarship and returned to Cambodia in 1953 and joined the underground Communist movement. The following year, Cambodia achieved full independence from France and was then ruled by a royal monarchy.

    By 1962, Pol Pot had become leader of the Cambodian Communist Party and was forced to flee into the jungle to escape the wrath of Prince Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia. In the jungle, Pol Pot formed an armed resistance movement that became known as the Khmer Rouge (Red Cambodians) and waged a guerrilla war against Sihanouk's government.

    In 1970, Prince Sihanouk was ousted, not by Pol Pot, but due to a U.S.-backed right-wing military coup. An embittered Sihanouk retaliated by joining with Pol Pot, his former enemy, in opposing Cambodia's new military government. That same year, the U.S. invaded Cambodia to expel the North Vietnamese from their border encampments, but instead drove them deeper into Cambodia where they allied themselves with the Khmer Rouge

    By 1975, the U.S. had withdrawn its troops from Vietnam. Cambodia's government, plagued by corruption and incompetence, also lost its American military support. Taking advantage of the opportunity, Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge army, consisting of teenage peasant guerrillas, marched into Phnom Penh and on April 17 effectively seized control of Cambodia.

    Once in power, Pol Pot began a radical experiment to create an agrarian utopia inspired in part by Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution which he had witnessed first-hand during a visit to Communist China.

    Mao's "Great Leap Forward" economic program included forced evacuations of Chinese cities and the purging of "class enemies." Pol Pot would now attempt his own "Super Great Leap Forward" in Cambodia, which he renamed the Democratic Republic of Kampuchea.

    He began by declaring, "This is Year Zero," and that society was about to be "purified." Capitalism, Western culture, city life, religion, and all foreign influences were to be extinguished in favor of an extreme form of peasant Communism.

    All foreigners were thus expelled, embassies closed, and any foreign economic or medical assistance was refused. The use of foreign languages was banned. Newspapers and television stations were shut down, radios and bicycles confiscated, and mail and telephone usage curtailed. Money was forbidden. All businesses were shuttered, religion banned, education halted, health care eliminated, and parental authority revoked. Thus Cambodia was sealed off from the outside world.

    All of Cambodia's cities were then forcibly evacuated. At Phnom Penh, two million inhabitants were evacuated on foot into the countryside at gunpoint. As many as 20,000 died along the way.

    Ten to fifteen families lived together with a chairman at the head of each group. All work decisions were made by the armed supervisors with no participation from the workers who were told, "Whether you live or die is not of great significance." Every tenth day was a day of rest. There were also three days off during the Khmer New Year festival.

    Throughout Cambodia, deadly purges were conducted to eliminate remnants of the "old society" - the educated, the wealthy, Buddhist monks, police, doctors, lawyers, teachers, and former government officials. Ex-soldiers were killed along with their wives and children. Anyone suspected of disloyalty to Pol Pot, including eventually many Khmer Rouge leaders, was shot or bludgeoned with an ax. "What is rotten must be removed," a Khmer Rouge slogan proclaimed.

    In the villages, unsupervised gatherings of more than two persons were forbidden. Young people were taken from their parents and placed in communals. They were later married in collective ceremonies involving hundreds of often-unwilling couples.

    Up to 20,000 persons were tortured into giving false confessions at Tuol Sleng, a school in Phnom Penh which had been converted into a jail. Elsewhere, suspects were often shot on the spot before any questioning.

    Ethnic groups were attacked including the three largest minorities; the Vietnamese, Chinese, and Cham Muslims, along with twenty other smaller groups. Fifty percent of the estimated 425,000 Chinese living in Cambodia in 1975 perished. Khmer Rouge also forced Muslims to eat pork and shot those who refused.

    On December 25, 1978, Vietnam launched a full-scale invasion of Cambodia seeking to end Khmer Rouge border attacks. On January 7, 1979, Phnom Penh fell and Pol Pot was deposed. The Vietnamese then installed a puppet government consisting of Khmer Rouge defectors.

    Pol Pot retreated into Thailand with the remnants of his Khmer Rouge army and began a guerrilla war against a succession of Cambodian governments lasting over the next 17 years. After a series of internal power struggles in the 1990s, he finally lost control of the Khmer Rouge. In April 1998, 73-year-old Pol Pot died of an apparent heart attack following his arrest, before he could be brought to trial by an international tribunal for the events of 1975-79.
    http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/pol-pot.htm
     
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    Sorry, but neither Mao nor Pol Pot can be considered "communists" since they pretty much went against everything communism and Marxism stand for. On top of that Pol Pot was literally paid by the CIA as an attempt to discredit communism.
     
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