Who is your favorite leader?

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  1. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm a proud Brit with a great respect of Churchill but I think he had a few too many faults to be the greatest leader. Has to be in most peoples top ten though....
     
  2. Montegriffo

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    I'm not sure you understand what a Communist is. CIA involvement in his rule does not exclude him being a Communist......
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only in your imaginations do you not think they are communists.

    Communism has been such a blight on humanity, that modern members of this cult cannot bear to admit that their best leaders were such brutal monsters: Stalin, Moa, Pol Pot.

    Where is your proof the CIA paid Pol Pot? Is it the same evidence you claim that Mao and Pol Pot weren't communists? Pol Pot was a communist long before the CIA even existed.

    Here are the 5 Communist nations that are still in existence---even if those in your cult say they are "not real communists."
    China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos and North Korea.
    https://www.thoughtco.com/communist-countries-overview-1435178
     
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    Anwar Sadat

    He knew that coming to the table with Israel would probably cost him his life but he did so to bring peace to his people.
     
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    I'm a communist, Pol Pot is not. Pretty straightforward.
     
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    That's a statement not an argument........
     
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    The Khmer Rouge was some really crazy group of people that combined reactionary nationalism with what they called "agrarian socialism" and basically just meant them going back through time and destroying the entire industrial sector as well as social institutions. Sounds like a strange branch of 'communism' to me.

    Not even Maoists take Pol Pot and his cult of crazy people seriously and they are pretty damn insane themselves.

    I don't even like or agree with most of what Che Guevara and Ho Chi Minh did, but they were admirable leaders who fought against imperialism and tyranny.
     
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    "Who is your favorite leader?"

    My favorite leader is Tunku Abdul Rahman, Malaya's first Prime Minister.
     
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    Lee Kuan Yew.
     
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    Napoleon the II because he never really governed and thus brought no war, taxes, or tyranny.
    Your main argument seems to be that they were awful and had terrible ideas, which means they couldn't be Communist.
     
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    George Washington.

    He surrendered power, twice.
    Once as Commander in Chief and once as President. Napoleon could not follow that example.
    Great military leader who understood the value of retreat and less than usual tactics.
    Also motivated a poorly equipped, poorly fed, volunteer army.

    I like the two films Barry Bostwick made in the '80's as Washington.


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g



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    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
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    Haha
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    You say that like it's a bad thing(haha).
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    David Ben Gurion.
     
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    My top 5 favorite presidents in this order:
    5. Dwight Eisenhower
    4.George Washington
    3.Harry Truman
    2.Ronald Reagan
    1.Abraham Lincoln
    Why are you Communist? Communism has never worked historically
     
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    1. Abraham Lincoln

    That is disgusting.
    A man who made war on civilians.

    Where do you place my #1, a one term Democrat who restructured the American financial system in a positive way that lasted for decades,
    Texas and California Statehood and creating the shoreline to shoreline continental United States of America, and only lied about 54'40" by settling on the 49th.
    My number 1 is James Knox Polk.
    He said he would only serve one term and it apparently did not Lame Duck him.
    Where would you place James Knox Polk.

    Re.: Ike
    Khrushchev was attempting Perestroika against the wishes of the more conservative "party" elements and Eisenhower rebuffed him extending the Cold War via a missed opportunity and speeding K's retirement.
    The only leader of the USSR to retire, alive. Who else?

    American Experience: Cold War Roadshow, PBS



    I lived in Hollywood when Khrushchev was touring. The local TV station did a lot of live broadcasts. Especially the dinner the Hollywood producers threw for him. I remember he was denied Disneyland.

    I do agree Ike is often under rated but, I would not count him in the
    top 5 either.


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g

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    54'40" with interest.

    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
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    What? Lincoln actually made the words of the Declaration true. I don't put Eisenhower as fifth because of his Presidency, although I do believe it was a good one, he gets fifth for his role in WW2. What are you talking about? Polk was one of the Oval Office's most notorious liars. I just listened to a podcast about him the other day, but all that aside, I thought he was alright. I'd put him in the high 20's low 30's
     
  18. Moi621

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    Specifically, what about Polk.
    Thank you

    We may as well just disagree about Lincoln. Too much Raymond Massey imprinting.
    Mr. Lincoln's War cost the most American lives of any war Americans have fought.
     
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    since you have pressed me I would have to say I put Polk at 30
     
  21. Moi621

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    What made Polk one of the White House's most notorious liars.
    Thank you.
    Besides 54'40' or fight and agreeing on the 49th​
     
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    look up a podcast called Presidential and go to the Polk episode and you will find out
     
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  23. Moi621

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    Please just tell me.
    What made James Knox Polk the biggest liar in the White House. Please.
    Thank you.

    PS If I doubt your word I will check the podcast.
    Gracias
     
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    Yes Ghandi was a tremendous individual who carved out a whole new way of using the emerging phenomenon of global media and passivity as a tool for change. His example inspired Mandela and a number of social activists.

    But he didn't take charge.

    My favourite is Mandela.
    A fighter, a victim, a scholar, a gentleman, a man of sacrifice and a man of forgiveness. A leader who changed a nation from inside a concrete cell.
     
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    I'm a communist because I grew up in a poor working class family and have been disillusioned by both liberalism and social democracy first and foremost. Communism has never worked so far because the material conditions just weren't there. In the Soviet Union the working class got obliterated by the Civil War (because they were too small in numbers) and thus the stalinist bureacracy could carry out a counter-revolution and establish state capitalism. The Chinese "revolution" was only communist in name (wasn't actually based in the working class and wasn't actually a revolution, for starters). Same goes for the Cuban "revolution" (was actually a guerilla war for national liberation). Right now the working class is too atomised (at least in the West) to successfully carry out a revolution, but that will change as the gap between the rich and the poor continues to grow.
     

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