Who killed Skripal?

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Who killed Skripal?

  1. Russia

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  2. Great Britain

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  3. Third unknown side

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  4. That is an unclear story, I don't know

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  5. Other

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  1. st256

    st256 Banned

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    But despite many countries have this substance you believe that Russia did it. Russia did it and left its driving license with blood fingerprints on it. Russia has many other substances that don't leave any traces. But Russia have choiced specially that one, before the president election and Mundial. Do you believe we are idiots? But while it seems that idiots are you.

    There were many strange murders in Britain. For example Berezovsky. He wrote a letter to Putin that he wants to return back and had committed suicide instantly. Especially I like history about Litvinenko. He was poisoned by... attention please! with 1 gram of Polonium. Good choice... I'd say the best choice for FSB. Look at this picture
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    Do you know that he didn't bald? He was shaved his head. It was done by a servant girl of the Chechenian terrorist Zakaev. Why? Didn't you think it's a show for idiots? For Western idiots.

    Russia somehow kills only minor persons that are not interesting for anybody. Including the Western. Russia never kills persons like Khodorkovsky, Gordievsky, Rezun... Why? My be someone different kills persons that are not interesting for him but that could corrupt Russian image? Never you think that?

    Novichok is used in English series Strike Back. In the same manner. In season that was shown just before "Skripal Show". Nothing strange? By the way are you a blonde? Don't think any bad! I adore blondes! :)

    Stop lying! I saw your photo that you published here. It was a face of the real killer. Sorry, but it's obviously that you are guilty in the Kennedy death.
     
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    There is only one reason to do it (to rule out). It is the idiot scenario with the idiot gas. If you is an idiot then it was done for you specially.
     
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    The US - CIA.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Rubbish. Who said the vile of Novichok belonged to Russia?

    Your scenario is more like saying the use of an M16 is the equivalent of finding your gun at the murder scene with your fingerprints on it and on the bullet and having a motive on top of this. Would you say you believe it would be up to the US to prove it's innocence simply because an M16 was used as the murder weapon?
     
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    You saying nobody gets killed without the blessing of the president?
    I doubt that. They got the mafia and other organized crime.
    And this spy crossed over a heck of a lot of people besides his own government.
     
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    I dunno. If I was a fulltime special agent at the absolute top of my performance, and suddenly my own boss switches sides and rats me out.... than my career is just suddenly in the bin. And what to do with plenty of time, and the knowhow for some sweet revenge.

    And I'm not saying... Russia did not do it, it was this lone spy on revenge.
    I'm saying... you can not rule out the possibility that somebody got some revenge, without asking approval from Putin.
     
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    That's Putin's problem now.

    If he wasn't responsible enough with his WMD, we will make him be so.

    There isn't room here to give an inch.
    You would have to be a fool to do so.


    If take the example of the Litvenko killer, he turned out to be Putin's right hand man.
    I wouldn't bet on Putin not having arranged this personally.
    I really wouldn't.

    Assume that Russia's spies are run by Russia's spymaster.
    That would be a smart place to start.

    If Russia wants to hand over some renegade for trial with conclusive evidence for our court rooms, the courts will decide.
    Until then, Putin carries the can.
     
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  8. st256

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    Again, again and again... Like sex, drug and rock&roll...

    You've said: OK, Putin is not an idiot (in that case only, of course). But his agents are idiots definitely. When they kill somebody, they always leave their business cards. They can't chose a way of killing without an ad of themselves... And :) :) :) where this agent got Novichok? It absolutely military substance. It's not possible to buy it in a shop. It's very difficult to store one. By the way... If it was a failed agent, why was he in Britain? Where he took money for living? Why he didn't run home??? :)
     
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    Exactly.
    It wasn't a failed agent. It was an active one.
    No point pussyfooting around it.
     
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    I think May has problems. Brexit, the bad election result, etc. Skripal Show seems the best getting from this sad situation.
     
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    His alias is Idiot in this case. Guy, can you think?
     
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    I did not say anything remotely like that.


    Failed agent? You mean, Skripal is a failed agent? I dunno how you came up with that. He went to the UK to earn money by ratting out 100's of his fellow spies that worked for him. He got paid a good amount of money, and that made it impossible for him to go home. In fact, he was jailed in Russia and got swabbed out on a prisoners exchange.

    It worked perfect for him,... until somebody had his revenge.
     
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    Here's a good one.
    Talking of idiots and cases.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/13/mi6-spy-dead-bag-locked-himself-gareth-williams

    A spy's body is found dead inside a suitcase.

    UK police decide it was a suicide.
    ROFL.

    The MI6 spy found dead in a bag three years ago probably locked himself in the holdall and died as a result of a tragic accident, Scotland Yard has said.

    Outlining the results of a three-year investigation on Wednesday, the Metropolitan police said Gareth Williams most likely died alone in his flat.



    If by "his alias is idiot" you mean Skripal's hitman used a false identity, no problem, so did the last one. This is the CCTV state. Facial recognition is everywhere. If he was here, we'll ID him and pass the info on. His DNA, his pictures. the works.
     
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    I mean only an idiot coul kill Skiripal in this manner. But I agree with you. Scripal is an idiot in any case. He betrayed, then he went to a jail and then he was killed. The Idiot.
     
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    no you pulled that out of your own head...

    russian law permits putin to have any external opposition assassinated on his order alone... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6188658.stm

    Putin is surrounded by a mafia friends...Putin is the unofficial head of the russian mafia, none of them operate without his permission...
     
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    I guess your brainiacs don't join the FSB.
     
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    Yulia Skripal, the daughter of Russian double agent Sergei Skripal, is no longer in a critical condition. I think she knows what happened to her father and herself and she needs to be protected from her enemies, who may come back to finish the job. Probably someone who posed as a deliveryman poisoned them with a nerve agent.
     
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    :roflol: what? no I'm not a blonde... is that your way of telling me my post is stupid, because in that case I'm pretty sure you're a blonde.

    I'm a brunette, I don't giggle incessantly, undress you with my eyes and far more likely to push your buttons for her own amusement.

    Yes it was Russia who dunnit... and I confess too, I'm evil reincarnate the canary never stood a chance... nor Kennedy

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    It would be pointless to stage an "accidental" death because the entire purpose of killing him is to send a message to future would be traitors that no matter where you go we will find and kill you and your family as well. Any valuable information would have been handed over long ago so there was no reason to worry about that now. A message had to be sent and he was picked as the example, nothing more than that.
     
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    The Deep State & Vassals poisoned him.

    Skripal wanted Russia forgive him ans asked Putin to allow back
    Deep State & Vassals never would allow it.

    The British government immediately stated about the possible involvement of Russia in the attempt, although the police investigation at that time did not even have time to start. As an argument, it was claimed that there was simply no other possible trace. Theresa May demanded explanations from the Russian government.
    Unspecified Neurotoxin was quickly established, but at the current stage, three weeks later, we still do not know exactly how Sergei and Julia Skripal were poisoned. Except for the agents of Russian special services as idiots, it's hard to imagine that they could have left such a notable mark by using the substance created in the Soviet Union, which is no longer a secret, since scientist Vil Mirzayanov, who participated in the program "Novicok", moved to the USA and published a formula in the book .

    In addition, the US and Uzbekistan worked with this substance in the 1990s. He was engaged in the release of toxins such as "" in Uzbek Nukus and was closed with the participation of the United States. That is, Russia does not lie when it says that it never produced this substance. This is the first inconsistency. Further, if the United Kingdom had a sample of the Soviet "Novicok", she had to report this to the OPCW, which was never done. In addition, in the military laboratory of Porton Down, which has 3,000 employees and is only a few kilometers from Salisbury (coincidence?), They claim that they have never had it. How, then, can we say that a substance of Russian origin was used?

    If the United Kingdom synthesized the "Novicok" in the laboratory of Porton Down, it follows that the British themselves are able to produce it. This point is important for the rest of the article. Another disagreement concerns the time of the incident: one week before the presidential elections and three months before the World Cup, which will take place in Russia and is of great importance for Vladimir Putin. Such a scandal denigrates the reputation of Russia at the very moment when the Anglo-Saxon bloc is seeking all sorts of pretexts for attacks on it. After the Litvinenko case in Moscow, we must understand that such actions are arranged to inflict the maximum damage to Russia's interests.

    The fourth disconnect concerns the motive. To kill a man who poses no threat to Russia and was sentenced to just 13 years is simply absurd. In addition, it was part of a spyware exchange program, and if one country begins to eliminate released prisoners, it is worth waiting for others to behave in the same way. This completely does not correspond to the philosophy of Vladimir Putin, who always takes care and does everything to avoid unnecessarily worsening diplomatic relations with the West.

    Julia Skripal

    This was a mystery to me from the very beginning. Demonstrative punishment of the traitor - it's still anywhere, but the simultaneous murder of having nothing to do with this daughter's relationship - is already completely abnormal. Why kill Sergei Skripal at the very moment when his daughter came to him and make her a victim?
    The only one plausible explanation: the father shared information with Julia, and it was also necessary to silence her. It was inconvenient, rather, not for Russian, but for British special services.

    Homesickness

    As follows from the report "Pari Match" on March 15, Sergei Skripal led a lonely and quiet life in isolation from the local society. This 66-year-old man considered himself a Soviet patriot and probably thought about the direction in which his life is going. He must have sadly recalled those times when he lived in Moscow surrounded by relatives. In 2012, he talked for a long time on the phone with Vladimir Timoshkov, the childhood friend left in Russia. He told him that he regretted what he had done and that it was hard for him to live away from children, his mother (she is very sick), her brothers and other relatives. According to him, he wrote a letter to Vladimir Putin asking for forgiveness and the opportunity to return to his homeland. This was reported by the BBC.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov denied the existence of the letter, but this does not mean that it was not sent. This suggests that Vladimir Putin either did not receive the letter, or does not want to recognize him for tactical reasons in relation to Western prosecutors. Now, in 2018, 13 years after his arrest, Sergei Skripal must have told himself that if he stayed in prison, he would have paid off his debts and could live peacefully in his homeland.

    Perhaps he took new steps to return to Russia with the help of Julia. This became known to the US and British special services through various channels. One could be the Western embassy in Moscow. The mother of the bridegroom Julia was against the wedding of her son with the daughter of a traitor. She holds a high position in Russia, and if Julia told all her future husband, this information could reach her. Perhaps she secretly informed the embassy of the United States or Britain?

    Why remove the Skripal?

    Sergei Skripal signed the confession, and it was impossible to achieve anything else after the trial. The same goes for the British: they could not get any new information from him.

    Be that as it may, over the years of his life in England, he was obviously approached from Mi-6 to participate in operations or for consultations. So, for example, he had close ties with former Mi-6 agent Christopher Steele, who received money from Hillary Clinton or her fund to find incriminating evidence on then-candidate Donald Trump. This can be found in the British newspaper Telegraf.

    If Skripal returned to his homeland, he could pass on interesting information to the Russian secret services. This could serve as a sufficient reason for eliminating himself and his daughter, who probably knew too much. Finally, we get a plausible explanation of the attempt on Julia, and in this case we are not talking about Russian agents at all. At this stage, I can not help but recall the Russian dissident Boris Berezovsky, who, according to rumors, also asked for forgiveness and wanted to return.

    Origin of the neurotoxin

    The hypothesis that Julia carried him in the luggage does not hold water. Is it conceivable that the FSB could take the risk of poisoning an entire aircraft to eliminate the retired colonel-traitor, who no longer posed any threat to the country? Of course, no, even in the case of the most irresponsible agents. He could have got into the UK in diplomatic baggage, but keeping a toxin in the embassy is a huge risk. In addition, for the treatment of him would need to send experts that would not remain unnoticed. Thus, the arrival of the "Novice" from Russia is hard to believe.

    In addition, Russians would have to synthesize a new toxin, since the Soviet reserves of the "Novicok" are not with them. This seems unlikely, since at that time they were engaged in the liquidation of chemical weapons stocks inherited from the USSR under the supervision of the OPCW. Britain could get a sample of the "Novicok" during the liquidation by the Americans of a plant in Nukus in the 1990s. It is not known whether this occurred under the supervision of the OPCW or not. It is possible that the "Novicok" produced in the West was put into circulation, since once his formula is known, many laboratories can synthesize it. In addition, refusing to give Russia a sample (which is a breach of obligations), the British government does not allow it to justify itself.

    Conclusion

    Whatever Teresa May said, there is another track, besides the Russian one. If Russian intelligence is capable of such a crime, the same goes for British, American and French intelligence services. It is not necessary to harbor special hopes that Sergei and Julia will come out of a coma. Their nerve functions were permanently destroyed, and from this substance there is no antidote, as in the case of a common toxin. They are still alive only because of intensive therapy and complicated medical equipment, such as artificial respiration apparatus. They will never be able to tell about what happened and confirm Sergey's desire to return to Russia.

    Theresa May went too far in her accusations and can not retreat any more. If the hypothesis put forward in this article is correct, she certainly was not personally the customer, but only trusted the reports sent to her office. Such decisions are usually taken at a lower level, for example, the Minister of Internal Affairs or the leadership of special services. As it is easy to guess, an internal investigation to confirm or refute this hypothesis is impossible, since the United Kingdom would thereby endanger its security.
     
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    The actually killer will most likely never be caught. It has all the makings of a perfectly crime / execution. That takes brains, not an idiot.
     
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    I fully agree with you. If Russia poisoned Skripal, in that case you killed Kennedy.
     
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    Aren't Skripal and his daughter alive?
    .

    BTW:
     
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    Who killed Skripal? Nobody. He is not dead, and, instead he is reported to be improving rapidly. So far it has not been proved who poisoned him or his daughter....
     
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    Nor will it ever be, because this case will not go to court.
    It cannot. Because the murderer is beyond the writ of British Justice.
    He is in Russia.
     

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