Who really discovered America?

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  1. Jason Bourne

    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It certainly wasn't Christopher Colon (Columbus), although Italians would like to think so.

    Was it Irish monks, Norsemen, the Chinese? Who, in your opinion, discovered the western continent?

    I believe that it was the Norsemen (AKA: The Vikings).

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    Eurasians, approximately 10,000 years ago.
     
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    It's really a bit like asking who discovered Europe. Or England. Or India.
    You wouldn't say that Marco Polo discovered China, so I wonder why the need to have a "discoverer" of North America.
    It's probably time to move beyond that need.
     
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    The Native Americans
     
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    Sulatrians from Europe were her long before the so called "native american" peoples.
     
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    were they from Mars or Venus?
     
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    Never heard of them. Are they related to the Cthulhus?
     
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    I think they are cousins of the Nacerima
     
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    Wow! It is so true that you just learn something new every day. I well remember as a little kid when talk of Nacerima first occurred. Too bad I never followed up on those disclosures or I would have known all this by now.
     
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    pretty backwards people.
     
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    If you mean which Caucasians discovered America.......
    you are probably correct........
    but the case for Jews and Phonecians discovering South America is interesting as well.

    http://beta.moshiach.com/index.php/item/ecuador

     
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    Too bad so few on Board, "get it".
    The single fluted spear/arrow head.
    The Asians embedded sharpened chips on a handle.
    Clovis is Sulatrian, an idea. The gene pool was annihilated by the Younger Dryas period.
    Today there are inconvenient archeological discoveries from Florida to Virginia.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

    We accept the Kelp Highway as the corridor for earliest colonization of America,
    why not pre metal people in water tight skin boats following the ice along the northern Atlantic during an Ice Age. Seals etc. that pull themselves up on the ice supply their needs for fuel, sustenance, basic materials.
    And they end up on the Atlantic Coast of North America.
    Compatible archeology has been found from Virginia to Florida.
    And although their gene pool vanished in the Younger Dryas event,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
    their single piece fluted spear head is evidence they were here.
    The similarity of Salutrean points to Clovis beats anything from Asia or Siberia.
    That's why some "Clovis Points" have been found in the east and predate Clovis, New Mexico's find.

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    Asiatic cultures including Siberia used chips of sharpened material mounted in a shaft.
    Think Aztec style weapons. Sharp chips of obsidian mounted on a handle.
    Very effective. Of course other materials could be employed. Obsidian not required.


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    Who really discovered America?

    It is likely "America" was discovered and inhabited by Siberian and Asian humans for tens of thousands of years before European or Nordic "Discovery". Genetic evaluation of Clovis remains confirm this.
     
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    Nice try, Irish, but it was the human beings who crossed the Bering Strait and spread all across the continent who win.
     
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    The scientists examined 81 skulls unearthed over many decades in Brazil's Lagoa Santa region. They represent the largest collection of early American remains, many of which had to be tracked down in European museums.

    These "paleoamerican" or "paleoindian" skulls feature projecting lower jaws, broad noses, and broad eye sockets, the researchers report. These traits are unlike those of modern Native Americans.

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1212_051212_humans_americas.html

    There's evidence of habitation in South America dating back to 30,000 BCE. Artifacts suggest a Micronesian or Melanesian origin.
     
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    Solutrean.

    And there is ample Genetic evidence for this, as well as multiple genetic inconsistencies with the contemporary belief of an "Asia Only" colonization of the Americas.

    Among that is the lack of genetic convergence of the earlier Dorset population of Greenland-NE Canada and the Thule people (Asia-Siberia) who ultimately replaced them.

    And the evidence of stone tool differences between neolithic Asia and Europe does indeed support the Solutrean theory.
     
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    there is zilch for evidence supporting that, it's pure academic speculation.

    Based on hard evidence native americans were here first, for a long time it was thought at least 14K yrs but newer findings may see that date pushed back to as long as 20 to 30K yrs ago.

    some speculation that Polynesians may have made their way to the americas beating the europeans but still relatively late less than a 1K yrs ago. They failed however to leave any Genetic mark on the populations of the americas if they did arrive.
     
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    But Christopher Columbus is the one who put America on the map and started the process that eventually founded the USA. And Canada. So...I appreciate him starting us down that road.. Not the Vikings.
     
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    church records indicate the RC church did indeed know about the americas sending the first Bishop to Greenland in 1126. Columbus possibly armed with this knowledge is the reason he went. Forgotten history is probably the reason Columbus is given credit and not the vikings.
     
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    Forgotten history did not start us on the road to our country. Columbus did that by...accidently finding the Americas and logging that information into an ambitious culture that laid the seeds of our society today. When we celebrate Columbus, we are celebrating that our nation exists....
     
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    but even that's a stretch as columbus never landed in the USA.

    And if Columbus did have access to church records then it is indeed due to forgotten history and it wouldn't have been an accident he had a solid belief there was something out there.

    It's a bit like crediting Edison with inventing the light bulb because forgotten history says he did not.
     
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    Columbus did not step on USA soil but he started a flow of civilization here from across the pond. other explorers and the natives did not achieve that.

    So...if Edison invented the light bulb and no one knew....we would still be in the dark until a person invented it and changed the world.
     
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    Bacteria discovered America 3.8 billion years ago.
     
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    that's culturally arrogant, the natives had a thriving culture/civilization hundreds of years before the europeans arrived...cities, nations, architecture, infrastructure, advanced mathematics and medicine, it was all in the americas before the europeans arrived...the only advantages the europeans really had were better weapons and disease to displace the native american societies.

    the Edison point was to show how a people/nation will skew history to reflect their point of view to fit their nationalist narrative. One Italian and at least four different englishmen developed the electric light before Edison but the american narrative is that it was an Edison invention.
     

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