Who was the first to push the Space Beams/ No Planes Memes?

Discussion in '9/11' started by l4zarus, Jul 2, 2014.

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Who was the first to promote Space Ray/No Planes theories about 9/11

  1. Alex Jones

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  2. Morgan Renolds

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  3. Judy Wood

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  4. Nico haupt

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  5. Christopher Bollyn

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  6. Jim Fetzer

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  1. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    See what I mean about him not understanding the 2 dimensional space? He sees an x coordinate, and a y coordinate, and completely denies the possibility of a z coordinate.
     
  2. 7forever

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    As long as you understand that chopper 4 filmed an object that went between the towers were good?
     
  3. Micketto

    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    Eh... North, South, East, West... no idea how that applies to your vid.

    I just wanted a simple screenshot.

    The diagram Fangbeer posted in #137 seems to be exactly what happens in the video you posted.

    I see no discrepancy.
     
  4. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is not the case.

    The aircraft approached from the southwest on a path that went behind both towers from the perspective of the north west positioned camera. The aircraft was flying on a path mainly toward the camera, not perpendicular to it.
     
  5. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again,

    How do you think the video would be different, if what I say is true?
     
  6. Micketto

    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    Wait.... so because that very low-res cut of film is keeping you from seeing the wings on a distant plane... you are calling it a "ball" ?
     
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    That's the official story or one of them. The ball came from the west, moved in a straight line (THE JERSEY SIDE) and did not turn in way. That is why it had to make 2 turns in order to reach the southeast corner. The ball was floating on a path not toward the camera, but a straight west to east path.

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    :roll:

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    Couldn't be bad resolution eh?
     
  9. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seems you're having difficulty with the question.

    How would the video be different, if what I say about the flight path is true?
     
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    Yes, he's been pushing this idea on several sites for quite some time. Among the realists who study 9/11, he's known as the 'flying orb guy.'
     
  11. 7forever

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    This view from the south matches the ball's magical movement behind the towers, except it would've been coming from the west or left of them from this angle. Only a small drone could've made these wacko turns. Manos, personally released this to the internet, not the government.

    The fake image faces north headed straight for the southwest corner of T1, then turns right/east moving across the entire width of the tower 1. It must then turn right again to face south because it didn't impact the west side of T2. It lastly turned left (east) across the rear of T2.

    The nose would have been facing north, east, then south, and finally east again to reach the southeast corner of T2. All that kookiness with only 500 feet to cover.

    That's two right turns, a left turn, and the goofy bee-bop across the rear of the south tower. Of course the video was altered, and the only question is who mimiced the drone circling the buildings with this laughable cgi. It's logical that Manos Megagiannis turned his footage over to law enforcement and got back this stupidity.

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    #43 http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG25MRnPy1o
     
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    Nothing flew 'behind' the towers
     
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    How do you think we can find common ground? I do NOT believe the ball footage/chopper 4 was faked because Cloud saw an object that he called a chopper. He was confused about it because it wasn't really a chopper. Listen to it. It's well worth it. HE'S THE BEST WITNESS BY FAR.

    "Ya, but I don't think it was a plane. No, because it happened like 20 minutes later. I think it was a bomb on the second building. I think they had that bomb in there and they were like alright let's maximize it. Hit it with a plane, and then hit the bomb." THE PLANE REFERENCE IS FOR T1.

    "There was a police copter like near it...I swear, I don't know what happen to him, but. But when the second one exploded there was a helicopter not too far away."

    "Ya, I tell you man, I saw it in slow motion, that second building just went boom, just exploded from the inside out, just like a movie, like a cheap movie which was really weird...it was like a 1970's Charleton Heston movie."

    "It was unbelievable, I mean it exploded from the inside, that second one."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_bttrlyx4k
     
  14. Fangbeer

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    I think it would be nice if you could answer the question. It would be a start anyway.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Odd how you take this witnesses 'testimony' as gospel,but won't for the rest of the the people who saw a plane hit WITH THEIR OWN EYES


    Also obviously cloud was too far away to have noticed the plane,,,,,,
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    No,he did NOT lie,he got calls from the airliner,and his wife is dead.....whoever made that video should be horsewhipped.

    And per your PM,Cloud obviously was way farther than a 'mile away'
     
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    Clifton Cloud: "I was probably about a mile away and um, I didn't, didn't realize that the second explosion was going on...it was just just a quick sharp blast of white light, orange and then the sound, the shockwave hit a few minutes later."

    Lauer: "And it was while you were shooting that, that the second plane came into view, and as you said, you really didn't even realize what you had captured. What was your response when you went back and looked carefully at the tape?

    Cloud: "I thought about um, where the plane had hit in the sixties floor where one of my companies largest client's is."

    2nd plane & 1st "collapse" Clifton Cloud 9/12 11:50 am - YouTube
     
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    despite what he said,he obviously guessed the distance wrong
     
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    He does seem well rehearsed, and quite capable of avoiding direct questions, while claiming things don't appear in videos... that very obviously appear in videos.

    Would be interesting to take up this conversation with someone who would actually listen, and respond accordingly.
     
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    Good luck with that. I've encountered this member and his 'hypothesis' on four sites that I can recall, and the shtick is always the same.
     
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    I believe radar over fake witnesses and fake planes. The truth for you is a foreign language. The ball came from southeast of the towers went into Jersey and circled back. Did you forget that it was captured on radar coming over the Verrazano bridge?

    Since you won't address what they said came over the bridge, you're conceding THE ATC'S were correct, that something, NOT FLIGHT 175 was spotted on radar coming from southeast of the towers..

    Varcadapane: He says to me, “As a matter of fact, do you see that target coming over the Verrazano Bridge.” I went over to the radar and looked at the radar. The Verrazano Bridge is depicted on the radar. And I looked over there and I saw the aircraft descending out of 4700 feet, 3600 feet, 2700 feet."

    Greg Callahan: And I could hear him calling on altitudes. “I have a target in sight, he’s descending rapidly.” And he said—“Look out to the southeast,” and the gentleman working ground control said, “Hey, who’s that by the Verrazano Bridge?” "And here comes a very large target descending rapidly, very fast." The skies over America - Dateline NBC | NBC News

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMlls8-X5pk

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    Stop digging 7.
     
  24. Fangbeer

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    I'm glad you trust RADAR data.

    Please study figure 5 and 6 of the RADAR data plot and tell me what direction the plane approached from.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxhHk-kM0huWTXA0ODdhMmRrYnc/edit?usp=sharing

    Also, you're aware the the Verrazano is SW of the site of the towers, correct? It's at the green arrow in the aerial map you posted above. Do you know east from west? Is that the issue?
     
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    Also, you're aware the Verrazano is SE of the towers, correct? The area behind them is south. The area to the left of them is east. That equals southeast. You don't know east from west. That's just one of your problems

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