Who will survive a nuclear war?

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Wll there be survivors of a nuclear war?

  1. Yes but it will be decades before they can go above ground.

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  2. No radiation will encompass the globe.

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  3. Yes people who survive the blasts will survive because there is no radiation.

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  1. jgoins

    jgoins Well-Known Member

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    Popular Mechanics is wrong? Well the power of them probably can't be determined accurately because of national security. Even if they are in the lower range the sheer amount of them could devastate the world.
     
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    The only way to take out little Kim would be invasion. There are rules about assassinating leader of countries, something we really don't want to start.
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    As opposed to going to war? We haven't resorted to murder often enough for your liking?
     
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    jgoins Well-Known Member

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    There comes a time when war is necessary.
     
  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    While we don't want to give other countries tacit permission to try to assassinate our leader it has to be admitted that they've never really needed such permission anyway. We spend just about all the time and money we can to keep the President safe now, so our refraining from killing other leaders is not going to protect ours any more than they are already, That being said taking out LK would be a mug's game, as there are no doubt several worse than him just waiting.

    As I've said before many times, LK's posturing is for his own people, are we truly so stupid that we don't see that?
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    True, when we are attacked, or the evidence that we are about to be attacked is overwhelming. No such evidence exists and it is so unlikely at this time that I would question it should it ever be presented after the fact.
     
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    It may or may not be for his own people, many in the world just don't want to take that chance.
     
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    Evidence about an impending attack is always subjective and can't really be concrete unless troops are amassing on our borders.
     
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    Unlikely. Virtually impossible actually.
     
  10. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Evidence is objective, or it is not evidence. Your interpretation may be subjective but the evidence is simply there.

    My major problem right now is I think Trump will take us to Nuclear war so as to distract from his impeachment.
     
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    Impeachment will never happen so he doesn't need to take us to war except maybe to stop little Kim from using nuclear blackmail.
     
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    Do you really think Russia, China and the US are the only countries targeted? You really don't think countries in the southern hemisphere will be hit?
     
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    I understand that some Democrats insist that the only option is to allow Kim Jung Un to destroy the USAs most populous cities to try to avoid harm to any non-Americans.

    They then explain there really is nothing we could do after tens of millions of Americans killed along with our economy as it would be immoral to retaliate.

    The irony is that among the tens of millions of Americans Kim Jung Un is going to kill are by far a majority of Democrats and the areas obliterated to dead zones that were previously cities are the Democratic Party strongholds. In general, foreign terrorists attack Democratic Party cities and murder Democrats. Kim Jung Un is not only going to obliterate American cities and our economy, he also is going to literally obliterate the Democratic Party by an unprecedented in world history mass murder - primarily of American Democrats and their families.

    Strangely, who most desires to prevent the mass murder of millions and millions of American Democrats and their cities are American Republicans.

    The pro-Kim Jung Un destroying American cities stance by some Democrats may be consistent with the fatalism of so many Democrats I have read and heard. Even on these topics of potential usage of nuclear weapons, most Democrat messages I read so far insist if any nuclear weapons exchange happens they WANT to be instantly killed. This is consistent with that general fatalism. There is something that is seriously psychologically wrong when a large segment of a certain political ideology and loyalty includes a desire to be killed if attacked.
     
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    I think progressive fatalism and trust of a mass murdering sociopath who had vowed to destroy the USA with nuclear weapons and openly demonstrates feverishly pursuing being able to do so will take us to nuclear war - and designed to be in a manner in which the USA's greatest cities are obliterated.

    Nuclear war against American cities, Seoul and Tokyo is inevitable unless act taken quickly to prevent this even being possible.

    This is as simple as it gets. Many Democrats WANT to allow Kim Jung Un the time to develop nuclear warheaded missiles capable of reaching the USA. Many Republicans do not.

    But, please, again explain how you only care about S. Korean and Japanese lives - and how it is good for them to allow Kim to increase in missile and nuclear weapons arsenal.
     
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    It is not good. We have no choice though but to just wait and see what happens.
     
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    Why do you people want to go to war so badly? Why do you want to destroy the world just to show a 7th rate tinpot dictator of a country that has a GDP equivalent to VERMONT (or some other US State I forget which) who's boss? Un has been doing this for YEARS and now suddenly he's going to kill us all ??

    Bulll fracking feces, what's happened is that Mueller is about to haul Trump off to Leavenworth, so Donnie has become Argentinean and NoKo is the new Falklands.
     
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    Poor information in the past about all the Nukes giving off radiation that has a long half life and will eventually spread to kill all life on Earth is a fallacy.

    The biggest threat is a Nuke going off in space and causing an EMP attack. In a full blown nuclear exchange with China, Russia or other large nations, only large cities and military areas will likely be hit with direct attacks, however, EMP's will be used first. Below is worst case:

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    Typical nuke's radiation will only be bad for 3 days. So best to shelter underground.
     
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    Your message is false and just endless partisan ranting.

    No, Un has not been doing this "for years." He has not had the nuclear weapons and missile capacity he now has "for years" - made possible by Chinese technology, money provided by President Clinton and allowances by President Obama.

    The economy of his country is irrelevant. The UK and Japan have economies notably greater than Russia. So, in your logic, if Putin announced "I am going to obliterate the UK and Japan with nuclear warheaded missiles," both of those countries should just laugh it off declaring it is impossible due to their economic superiority.

    This is your logic: You will most trust people like Adolph Hitler, Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, the Unibomber and Kim Jung Un with your life - and not believe they would harm anyone or you, even thought they are known mass murderers, sociopaths and promised he is going to do everything he can to murder you. That is your position in reality: 100% trust the entire future of the USA, tens of millions of lives and - in your view - destruction "of the entire world" - in your 100% trust the mass murderer sociopath who believes he is a god Kim Jung Un will not carry out his promise that he is openly pursuing being able to do so ASAP.

    Obviously, you must furiously demand ending all investigation to try to prevent terrorist attacks since no action may be taken until after the attack has occurred and there is not reason believe anyone who says they want to murder lots of people - like the Obama FBI did concerning the Orlando shooter who admitted prior to this to the FBI he had told people at work this intention.

    I gather this also is how you think the police should respond if someone calls 911 saying there is known mass murderer outside her/his house with a gun screaming he is going to kill her/him trying to kick in the front door. In your view, the only rational response of the police is to tell her/him there is nothing they can do yet and there is no reason to believe what the person is saying or is any danger. However, she/he should phone them if he does break in and shoots her. Only then will they come. Maybe, unless coming might result in a shoot out that would engage neighbors and then they still won't do anything. "Don't worry, he's not going to hurt you because it makes so sense if he does."
     
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    Said Europe and the USA about Germany and Japan.
     
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    Or does what he promises to do and obliterated every major American city.

    NO other leader of ANY country with nuclear weapons has ever before promised it WILL (not just defensively) attack another country with nuclear weapons. Only your guy, the guy you trust literally with the future of the USA and - in your view - future of the whole world - has done so. The person you MOST trust is a self declared living god, mass murderer, has holocaust death camps against his own people who he has murdered and starved to death by the hundreds of thousands, and brutally tortured and murdered his own family. That's who YOU rely on for the future of the USA and world to be a safe, rational person to trust you life on.

    As of now, Kim Jung Un does NOT have enough nuclear weapons to cause any worldwide problem. As of now, he can not attack the USA with nuclear weapons. Nor does he have the capability to prevent our eliminating him.

    You want that all to change in his favor. You will allow him to have everything he wants and do every he has promised to do. You prefer the USA is obliterated and all our major cities in a few years, rather than act to prevent this from happening?
     
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    What madman are you talking about ??
     
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    Hey, calm down, they're not going to be sending YOU to Federal Prison
    Like I said...Calm down, they're not about to cart YOU off for a well-deserved sojourn at the luxury resort of Lev-en-wortho. Maybe they can teach Fat Donnie how to keep a kitchen clean
     
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    I am talking about all out nuclear war.
     
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    Who were you replying to? The post you replied to was mine and it said nothing about supporting little Kim. Here is what it said.

    Impeachment will never happen so he doesn't need to take us to war except maybe to stop little Kim from using nuclear blackmail.
     
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    I do believe we shouldn't wait to do something about little Kim but there is not much we as citizens can do but wait and see what happens. I also believe Trump would do anything he can to remove rocketman but the never Trumpers in congress fight him at every turn. If he thought he could get it through congress he would let the generals have their way and take on NK. Personally I would like to see us bomb the c*ap out of them until they reach the stone age and then send in the troops to wipe up.
     

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