Who will survive a nuclear war?

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Wll there be survivors of a nuclear war?

  1. Yes but it will be decades before they can go above ground.

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  2. No radiation will encompass the globe.

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    50.0%
  3. Yes people who survive the blasts will survive because there is no radiation.

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  1. jgoins

    jgoins Well-Known Member

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    Radiation is carried by wind currents and do not stay in the areas they were created in not to mention food and water contamination.

    http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/Effects/wenw_chp2.shtml
    It has been estimated that an attack on U.S. population centers by 100 weapons of one-megaton fission yield would kill up to 20 percent of the population immediately through blast, heat, ground shock and instant radiation effects (neutrons and gamma rays); an attack with 1,000 such weapons would destroy immediately almost half the U.S. population. These figures do not include additional deaths from fires, lack of medical attention, starvation, or the lethal fallout showering to the ground downwind of the burst points of the weapons.
     
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    In your dreams.
     
  3. jgoins

    jgoins Well-Known Member

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    Leaving fat Kim alone is what allowed him to gain in nuclear weapons and allowing him to accomplish his goal is just suicide.

    Your TDS is showing, trump will never be impeached let alone sent to Leavenworth especially with no evidence whatsoever. Just saying he colluded is not evidence.
     
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    Well that's what this thread examines.
     
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    Those 520 nuclear bombs were spread over at least 15 years. The global impact of that many bombs going off within a few days of each other would be quite different.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your response is a worthless partisan attempt to derail the thread.
     
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    Your tin god is going to Prriiisson, Your tin god is going to Prriissonn

    Your last two posts ran this thread right off any rails it might have been on, it now lies a smoking wreck of shirill nonsense at the bottom of a valley of alt. right eroor.. RIP
     
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    Sorry if I quoted the wrong message. Not sure I did.
     
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    Only in an all out nuclear exchange. There could be a limited exchange where there'd be millions of survivors.
     
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    Not really sure they would want to though.
     
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    Let's not forget air currents in the spread of nuclear radiation as well.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It depends on where you live.....and how much TP is stored up. :)
     
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    There are some maps out showing potential effects of this:
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    Radiation can be carried on wind currents and contaminates everything it touches.
     
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    But it does not contaminate everything for long:

    Short-lived isotopes release their decay energy rapidly, creating intense radiation fields that also decline quickly. Long-lived isotopes release energy over long periods of time, creating radiation that is much less intense but more persistent. Fission products thus initially have a very high level of radiation that declines quickly, but as the intensity of radiation drops, so does the rate of decline.

    A useful rule-of-thumb is the "rule of sevens". This rule states that for every seven-fold increase in time following a fission detonation (starting at or after 1 hour), the radiation intensity decreases by a factor of 10. Thus after 7 hours, the residual fission radioactivity declines 90%, to one-tenth its level of 1 hour. After 7*7 hours (49 hours, approx. 2 days), the level drops again by 90%. After 7*2 days (2 weeks) it drops a further 90%; and so on for 14 weeks. The rule is accurate to 25% for the first two weeks, and is accurate to a factor of two for the first six months. After 6 months, the rate of decline becomes much more rapid. The rule of sevens corresponds to an approximate t^-1.2 scaling relationship.

    http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq5.html

    So stay underground for 3 days after the last bomb affecting you has been dropped.

    I'd suggest you stop typing and start digging.
     
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    The problem being is we don't know which fissionable material is used in any nuclear weapons used around the world. I doubt we know what is used in even our own weapons. So predictions of dangerous radiation half life can be anything from days to centuries.
     
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    No it depends on which fissionable material is use in the nuclear weapons. Which one is used in any weapon around the world, do you know?
     
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    LOL Maybe you need to wrap an extra layer of duct tape and plastic sheeting around your place.
     
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    No I am not worried about it, at my age I probably won't be around when it happens and if I am I am not concerned about dying.
    I am just disagreeing with the length of time things will be radiated.
     
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    This is a very good question and I sure like the answer that former Atheist Howard Storm got during his brush with death.......

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04

     
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    That's all well and good but there are still too many in the world who have not evolved to the point of "Love their neighbor". We cannot afford to be killed while we are loving our neighbors. I do not believe any nation in the world today wants to love others more than itself. The only thing we can do as individuals is to point out that nuclear war is not survivable and hope others see it as well and will do everything they can to prevent their use.
     
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    1) Those nations who are capable of developing nuclear weapons also know the consequences of using them. In the case of the DPRK, where it's leader is considered insane, their main supporter China is fully aware and, no doubt, has controls on the situation.

    2) Again, how survivable a nuclear war is depends upon how many are used, how they are used (airburst, seaburst, landburst) and where they are used along with megatonnage and type of bomb.
     
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    1. How does China have control on the situation?

    2. How survivable a nuclear war is basically is determined by who is involved and what type of fission able material is used. If it is only us and NK then it might be possible but if Russia or China gets involved all bets are off.
     

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