Who will swallow the Corona virus debt? The rich or the poor?

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  1. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    While I offer a way to stabilize the whole economy by locking it in, which takes care, by elimination, of the inflation you fear.

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    True. A tax code the rich paid for, wrote, and got their owned politicians to pass.

    A great system, that caters to the rich, so that they will continue to bribe, officials, as it works.

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    How many intelligent Americans actually think their arming themselves can protect them from some military force?

    If you are talking property protection, would you shoot a thief? If you would, your not a moral person as you put property above life.

    Why would you want to become a victim or PTSD?

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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not talking Waco here. A Waco will always be doomed. I'm talking about whats already happening across the nation. My state being a prime example. Two years ago WA passed a slough of gun control laws which were wildly unpopular (by 60% or more) in most of the county's, but wildly popular in the few most populous county's. As a result, between 2/3 and 3/4 of the county Sheriffs (being elected solely by the residents of their respective countys) publicly announced these new laws would not be enforced in their jurisdictions, and some of them went so far as to specify that attempts by outside agencies to enforce the new laws within their county jurisdiction would be resisted by the Sherrif's department, and at least one committed his ~200 strong Posse resource to the task. Given that in WA, the Sheriff is constitutionally defined as the 'Chief Law Enforcement Official' within his/her jurisdiction, such resistance is arguably both legal and lawful, at least at the state level if not federally. This situation is potentially repeatable in at least 1/3 of the nation by other states that similarly mandate local autonomy in law enforcement in their respective state constitutions.

    What do you think would happen if an outside agency actually attempted to enforce these laws in one of these noncompliant counties and an armed conflict erupted with the lawfully elected local police and a few hundred lawfully deputized civilians (of whom many are military combat veterens, btw)? Keep in mind that the bulk of the WA State Patrol and WA National Guard also reside in these counties along with their families and friends.

    I can't say for certain what it would look like, and I hope we don't ever find out, but what I'm certain it will not look like is the oft proferred 'civilians vs military' 'Waco-like' scenario. More likely, the military, if it is involved at all (which I suspect the establishment will go to great lengths to avoid), will be split along similar proportions as the population from which it is derived. 'Enemies foreign and domestic' is not objectively defined when both are ones own countrymen and both have the law on their side.
     
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    How can the poor pay for anything? They are poor.
     
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    Who will pay? The punch-drunk middle-class, who else?
     
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    Any of us who pay taxes will. So those of the poor class do not pay taxes . The rich class can pay tax accountants and tax attorneys so they avoid pay taxes. Us in the working middle class will pay. I am talking about federal income taxes and state income taxes.
     
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    The poor pay extremely little in terms of income taxes but they do pay sales taxes. Most likely virtually no property taxes.
     
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    Most anyone. Very very few talk about taking that right away. And the constitution won't allow it. And it won't be amended anytime in the next 100 yrs
     
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    The Boomer generation are reckless with spending.
     
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    that's the part conservatives never understand.
    People will always find a way to eat and shelter
     
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    What do you think is meant by 'assault weapons ban'? What exactly do you think will be defined as an assault weapon, and do you believe if such passed into law, it would stop there?

    Or, instead, are you a supporter of the notion that we can all adequately defend ourselves with low capacity and/or single shot firearms, and banning 'assault' (semi-auto) firearms is justified?
     
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    Wait. You think people are impoverished because of taxation?
     
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    Let's talk about trickle.

    How anybody can claim it doesn't exist blows my mind.

    One company, creating one job, and paying an employee to fill that position IS trickle down.

    I'm curious to know what you think trickle down means.
     
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    I would really love to hear what your interpretation of trickle down is.
     
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    I use semiautomatic 30-06 for hunting. I am not afraid of losing it. Period.
     
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    some Inflation is good for society, as long as wages keep up with inflation, the problem is wages have not kept up
     
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    Who will pay for it?

    1) Everyone through inflation.
    2) Everyone who counts on government services they have paid taxes for. Those services will likely be cut down the road.
     
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    Washington likely got fed up with irresponsible gun owners with new laws. You sure need them.

    You go ahead though and live in fear regardless of how many school shootings you get.

    Your country has that record but hey, if you do not think matching the laws of countries with better track records, buy more guns so that more Americans, young and old, can be murdered.

    Your kids are just collateral damage to staunch gun owners.

    Not too much of a price for those who live in delusional states.

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    Forced labor camps. Oh wait, Trump lost so forget that.

    I agree, it will not be the poorest. It will be the semi-poor and the middle class.

    We have to keep the rich smiling.

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    You had a strong labor force at one time, but your government made sure it weakened it enough to make your workers redundant in decision making.

    Strong labor groups usually make countries better at commerce. Other countries are doing better, while the U.S cries about losing jobs or not creating enough Mcjobs.

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    I see the middle class as sliding down to poor class if they have to foot the whole bill.

    So much for social security.

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    I doubt that they can be classed that way.

    I am not, and I am sure I am not alone.

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    I hear you.

    Their ears have filters on them, just as their morals have.

    But hey, what can you expect from genocidal god lovers?

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    No. I know it for a fact.

    Poverty has many causes, but the main one is the tax system, as it is what would be used to set or accept a minimum wage law.

    It decides how much of your cash you will keep, so what makes you think it is different for others, rich or poor?

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