"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

And yet every other country with universal health care pays LESS

 

If by false and ignorant you mean true and correct, then yes, but the topic...?

 

But...

Venezuela!

 

Go ahead, tell our seniors how you send yours to hospice with no choice

 

But...

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With out researching details...
If the government subsidizes the charges for medical care with tax money, the "cost" of health care would be low in appearance, but not in fact.

Then again, we have three times the lawyer saturation of the next highest country, and half of them are financed by lawsuits against various parts of the health industry- which is all coming from insurance and service costs. Medical practice insurance has many variables, but tops around $200,000 a year in OB/Gyn.

 

Why do you keep telling the truth and ignoring the irrelevant and glaring exception of...

Venezuela!!!!!

 

You mean the topic that almost everyone here ignores sometimes? All post go off topic
So you think Medicare and Medicaid can be given to the whole world. Just come to America ,huh?

 

Have you actually done the math on this? The estimated costs of medicare for all are about 32 trillion over 10 years. If you divide that by the 320 million people you get about $100,000 per person, and divide that by 10 (because that estimate was over 10 years) and you get about 10,000 per person, per year. The current private health care expenditure is about $380 per month for an individual. That is about $4,500 per person per year. On top of this some people do not work or do not get insurance through their employer. So there will be no money to add on their behalf meaning you have to account for the full 10,000 for millions of people. You are still missing more than $5000 per person per month even if every person got employer provided health insurance. That would mean a deficit of $1.6 trillion per year AT BEST. Our entire economy only produces 17 trillion per year. I may not have 2 brain cells to rub together, but that sounds like you would still be missing a lot of money. Maybe you could explain it a little further for those of us who are slow.

If you look a just medicaid and medicare those account for about 37% of total healthcare expenditures. Out of pocket spending and the money paid by health insurance companies combined are about 45%. You would have to more than double government spending. However, the money spent by the insurance companies are not a representation of insurance premiums, since insurance companies make their profits from investment, not from premiums. In short, I don't think the simplistic solution of just paying medicare instead of your private insurer is going to put a dent in the deficit this would cause. It certainly will not pay for it in full.
https://www.cms.gov/research-statis.../nationalhealthexpenddata/nhe-fact-sheet.html
On top of all of this, medicaid is terrible if you are a provider. They take forever to pay, you have to submit paperwork over and over again, and they never pay what your time is worth. If you double the size and centralization it will become even worse as the bureaucracy that supports it will have to grow. A part of the reason your costs are so high to begin with is because of government compliance and regulatory costs. It costs about $40,000 per year per physician to comply with government regulations involved with running a clinic. That is before you make a single dollar. Add to that being gouged at med school, residency, for malpractice insurance etc. It is almost prohibitively expensive to be a doctor. And then you get to the end where you can finally start recouping some of these costs, and people like you get upset about the expense of healthcare. Where were you at any other step of this process? Your healthcare is expensive partially because of all the people driving up the costs for your doctor. The government is at the top of this list.

 

See how this works out for you once your invaded by millions of breeders who are not only indigent but also have no skills . From what I read it is already happening so get back to us on that free ride for the third world thing,if you can still afford WiFi that is.
All of us are heading straight to third world status unless a miracle happens. No way can any nation take in soem many poor and survive.

I'd like to see the gov take care of 400,000000 people. What a crock that dream is.

 

You hope and that it it covers your increase in taxes and that the employers share is equal to or less than what they are paying now and that you are not waiting in line for medical care if you can find a doctor who will take you.

 

Medicare for all, sell supplementals for special care, simple.

 

Where do you get your "cut it in half"? Wishful thinking?

 

Then Medicare for none.

 

Yep, and if prices of medications and medical services are brought down simultaneously, it could actually result in massive savings for individuals and businesses.

 

They aren't now and they weren't before people with disabilities represent less than 2% of the country. The chief problem with the current system is that government runs it and the chief way to keep costs down is to limit access. This is done by making it a requirement that the second thing you have to do after your doctor determines that you are disable is hire a lawyer.

 

And shortages of everything.

 

Kudos for your honesty. Most lefties claim the super rich will pay when we all know that is a lie. Truth is dems will be coming after the middle class to get money. I am sure that bilking the middle class will make things better.....NOT!

 

Then how come Aus with its lower GDP can manage a cheaper more efficient health care system?

 

How so?

 

But in shifting the cost from the middle class employers back to the government are you not winning?

 

No. Enough with the ignorant fear mongering.

 

Well, from those countries that have universal coverage

 

One vital aspect to consider here is that, as the saying goes, the government always pays its bills. As it is now, hospitals overcharge for services, especially emergency room visits, apparently just to cover risks. There is never a guarantee that patients can pay, nor that private insurers will pay. Private insurers, being profit-driven, are always seeking ways to avoid paying. But having the government handle payment of health care and medications means that a stable, predictable system can be put in place, and so prices can be reduced immensely.