"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

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  1. rahl

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    I didn’t say it was
     
  2. rahl

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    This might be relevant, if I claimed japan was a single payer system. Since I did not, this is in no way relevant.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then you should never have shown as your proof the nation of Japan which happens to be number 1 on your own list.
     
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    Okay.

    So let me ask you a question: Does any individual have a legitimate right to extort his neighbor?
     
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    No, I do not pay taxes on my land on a yearly basis.

    Next, when I said:

    ...you responded with:

    That doesn't speak to the point I made at all. You've fallen into avoiding addressing responses directly. It is improper argumentation, and a fallacy called a non sequitur.

    The relevant question at hand is: "Are you capable of engaging in proper argumentation?" To see if you can, I pose this question:

    The device that you are responding to this post on can be taken at any time. Because it can be taken at any time, does that mean you do not own it?


    Of course there is coercion. I only agree to pay any tax because I am threatened with imprisonment, garnishment of wage or forfeiture my of property if I do not. That is the very definition of coercion. It is no different that being presented the choice by the mob of "PAy protection money or we will burn down your business."
     
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    You can say the same about any law since there are always penalties for not complying. You can say the same about religion since if you don't adhere you face eternal damnation. You can say the same about belonging to any group since if you don't adhere to the jorms you get ostracized.

    Human nature has demonstrated repeatedly that without the stick the carrot doesn't work.
     
  7. rahl

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    Japan has nothing to do with the fact every first world country with single payer, has better care for less than we spend.
     
  8. rahl

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    Nobody is talking about extortion.
     
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    Yes, you absolutely do.




    No, it can not be taken at anytime. U like the land you are leasing.




    Nope. That isn’t extortion. Nobody is forcing you to remain a US citizen, on US soil.
     
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    Correct, and the law in its current form is exactly that becasue I do not agree to abide by the rules. If it were voluntary then that would be different.

    I'm an atheist, so...

    No, not always. Good ideas do not require an initiation of aggression against their fellow man to work. Almost every rational adult demonstrates this in the daily choices they make, choices do not always require coercion.
     
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    Okay, but you didn't answer the question:

    So let me ask you a question: Does any individual have a legitimate right to extort his neighbor?
     
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    Nobody is talking about extortion
     
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    You are making the assertion- now prove it it.

    Sure it can. Thieves steal these devices all the time, even from public places and businesses- it can be taken at any time.

    I have no land under lease. I own the land that I am on.

    Since it is your assertion that I lease the land and since you have not proven that I lease it, the burden of proof is for you to do so. Please prove the connection between eminent domain (the power of a state or the federal government to take private property for public use while requiring "just" compensation to be given to the original owner.) and leasing land (a contractual arrangement calling for the lessee (user) to pay the lessor (owner) for use of an asset).


    The business can also move as well, but that isnt relative to the fact that it is coercion:

    As I said: I only agree to pay any tax because I am threatened with imprisonment, garnishment of wage or forfeiture my of property if I do not. it isn't relative that I can move- coercion is still in played.
     
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    Hm, I'll take that as a yes. You could have answered yes or no.

    It seems self evident, but I'll ask you: Do each of us have the same rights?
     
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    He didnt ask if anybody was talking about it. He asked if anybody had the right to do it.
    Do they?
     
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    He's afraid to put his cards on the table. He has also tattled on me. Big effing *****.
     
  17. rahl

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    If you “own” land in any state or DC, you pay taxes every year.



    Nobody is talking about a thief.



    Nope

    If you owned it, it couldn’t be taken via eminent domain.




    Taxes are not coercion.



    Thus, it coercion.
     
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    Nobody was talking about coercion. My answer has remained the same. You seem to be trying to intentionally misrepresent my position again.
     
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    Nobody is talking about coercion, so his question is not relevant to this thread.
     
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    Does any individual have a legitimate right to extort his neighbor?
     
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    Don’t intentionally misrepresent what I say, and you won’t get reported. Pretty simple.
     
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    Nobody is talking about extortion.
     
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    Hey tattletale, does any individual have a legitimate right to extort his neighbor?
     
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    Nobody is talking about extortion.
     
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    Even if you do move they'll forcibly take your money
     

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