"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    A portion of your income is not taken from you in the form of taxes? You get to keep it?
     
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    No, you voluntarily pay it.
     
  3. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Like I voluntarily don't speed?
    Like I voluntarily don't kill?
     
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    Ah, so we're back to: Pay me, leave, or I put you in a cage.

    Which individual have a right to say that?
     
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    But nobody will force me to leave, right?
     
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    No
     
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    Of course they will. Trespassing is illegal.
     
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    Why would I be trespassing?
    Will some punitive measure such as stripping me of citizenship be applied if I dont pay?
     
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    In order to be a US citizen, be on US soil and earn a living, you agree to pay taxes. If you don’t pay taxes, you are on violation of the agreement and trespassing on US soil.
    No
     
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    I've been censored multiple times by the moderators.
     
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    Then I won't be tresspassing
     
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    Probably be better if they all had their own little private conversation and agreed with each other all day
     
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    You've done none of those things. When I illustrate the points on which you've erred you've dodged or deflected a response or countered with a claim wrought with fallacies (of which I point out).

    I very much understand your mindset, and it is an unfortunate circumstance. However, you do not have the right to make up stuff as you go. "Nuh-uh" isn't the response of a reasonable adult.
     
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    Gimme g
    If he says it, you've been corrected
     
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    Why would government supply them just because they are a right? Government doesn't supply guns does it?
     
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    You did not read the report, did you? No, you did not.

    Its measure of health systems is based on 3 categories: good health; responsiveness; fair financial contribution.

    That last one should raise a great big red flag for you. And it should, because if you actually read the report, "fair financial contribution" can only be achieved through govt run single payer plus various non-health economics such as distribution of wealth and income.

    So 1/3rd of the score is hugely biased. In other words, the report is rigged.

    But thats not all. If you actually read the report, you would see that the second metric- "responsiveness" - is totally subjective. It compares a health care systems performance with what the WHO authors think the performance of the system should be.

    And then, if you actually had read the report, you would see the final metric - good health - is heavily weighted by life expectancy. And I've already mentioned how poor that metric is.

    So your "proof" fails to justify your claim. But it does support my claim that the basis for your claim is poor.
     
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    From your own link.

    Universal Health Care: Who says it’s the fairest of them all?

    Recent media coverage of the case of a young boy in Ontario is causing some Canadians to question the fairness of Canada’s universal health care system. Two boys in Ontario are suffering from a rare disease. The provincial government is paying for one of these children to receive out-of-country medical care but refuses to pay for the other. Liam Reid’s mother Kristina takes her son’s story to the media. Following national media coverage Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty and Health Minister Deb Matthews promise to do their best to see that the boy receives the medical care he needs.

    Supporters of universal health care claim it’s a system based on the values of fairness and equity. I see it as a collectivist system where government controls the production and distribution of health care.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I tried to help you. I take you back to the poster you were discussing this with.
     
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    Agreement with whom?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are a surprising number of Trump haters who believe strongly in a super strong hold bond between them and government. A paradox if ever one is.
     
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    of course you will be
     
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    I've done all of those things, as you are perfectly aware.
     
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    I'm sorry that my citation shatters your ideology, but that doesn't make it go away. As I showed you, every other first world country with single payer gets better care at a fraction of the cost we pay. there's no getting around that.
     
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    no relevance to anything I've said.
     
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    US citizens, and the US government.
     

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