"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

Good job sidestepping the question and relying on cherry-picked data.

 

Because government will be directly responsible for high cost. Currently government only care about Medicare patients, that is why we have shortage of providers.
Government estimates needs only for Medicare recipients completely ignoring needs of general public.

 

You obviously know little about healthcare.
The difference of 2% for Medicare and 12-18% for private, is not a set fee. It depends upon the procedure and patient.
Uninformed question.

 

Another uniformed question. For one reason, there is no profit requirement for the insurer in Medicare. Secondly, it is less per capita in every country that has non profit universal healthcare.
You guys have this dumb idea that adding profit costs for insurers, makes the premiums less. Ridiculous.
No country on earth pays more then we do for each insured individual.

 

What ? Medicaid is cofounded by both the states and the feds. It’s not Medicare.
Private insurance is heavily regulated already by the gov. , to conform to preexisting conditions requirements and eligibility.

Having Medicare for all can reduce gov. Involvement by eliminating duplication of monitoring services in both public and private insurance.
We all pay when people are privately insured already or on govt. insurance like Medicare, Medicaid, CHIPS or the VA .

 

Getting off track aren’t you when your questions are laid to waste ? The only bureaucrats involved who don’t want everyone insured cheaply are republicans.

 

Simple. Now pay attention. If healthcare providers have only one payer, it’s the payer who has the most say in purchase price.
You keep asking these ridiculous questions like universal healthcare is an unknown commodity. It isn’t, EVERYOTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY does it now.....cheaper.

 

it’s still a dumb question. The cost depends upon the procedure and patient. You think the overhead for heart surgery is the same as the overhead for a flu shot ?

 

Yea, that is true, but we were talking about what is a root cause of high cost of medical services. My point was that an artificial shortage of doctors and other medical providers in general is a main contributor to the excessive health care spending.
Currently number of new doctors is capped by the Medicare funding, and that funding is calculated based only on the number of perspective Medicare and Medicaid patients. People that are younger then 65 are not taken into the consideration as they would never existed. If ban on Medicare purchase is lifted, that shortage (in theory) should go down because number of allowed medical providers going to be estimated for the whole population.

 

I hear you. But the biggest reason for the shortage of doctors is the same as the huge shortage of engineers. The cost of education is way too much for qualified but middle class students who can’t afford the investment in time and money for seven years of education. It has as much to do with this cost as with Medicare or healthcare demand in general. It has to do with providing affordable college education for anyone who qualifies. We literally import 25% of our doctors now from countries that invest in education. Our post grad classes have more foreign nationals then Americans enrolled.

 

And that bothers them, how? Can you point to any other agencies that are big money savers over the private sector? I live in California. An agency analogous to universal healthcare is Caltrans. You know how much having Caltrans do all of the roadwork saves the state? Zip. The cost per mile of road maintains is 4.7 times higher in California than the average of the rest of the US. If you've seen our roads, you won't think we are getting such a good deal.

Tell me. If the most progressive state in the US with the most progressive, universal road system, costs 4 times as much as the national average, what makes you think a progressive, universal healthcare system will save money?

You know what the progressive legislators' response is to the problem of the high cost of road maintenance in California? Raise taxes.

Government doesn't pay enough. Price controls create shortages. It's the law of supply and demand.

 

You obviously can't read a simple question.

I asked for dollar amount. Anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension would have got it the first time, and certainly by the second time I asked it.

Given that you did not understand a very simple question, I think it's you that is deliberately and wilfully ignorant. Why is that?

 

Can you explain why profit requirements cause prices to go up? You call me uninformed, and you believe that profit is part of pricing, so inform me. There must be an economic text you rely upon to be oh-so-informed.

I didn't ask about every country. I asked about Medicare. What is the dollar cost per capita for medicare administration versus private healthcare? It's a dollar amount, not a percentage of overall administration. For instance, does it cost $100 to maintain a medicare patient and $200 to maintain a private care patient, or vice versa?

You have this idiotic notion that profit is a cost.

No country on Earth has the wealth that the US has. Chances are, you pay more for food and housing and almost everything else in the US, at least before taxes, than you would in most other countries. It's the nature of being a wealthier country.

 

If the payor doesn't care where the money comes from, then why does it care how much it spends?

Can you name a single government agency that saves money over the private sector? Caltrans, in California, is in complete control of all state-owned roads. it does not contract out maintenance and only does a minimum of contracting for needs it cannot meet (such as building large bridges.) It is a near perfect example of what you imagine universal healthcare to be. You know how much it costs to maintain roads per mile in California? 4.7 times the national average. Given that it's a single-payer, universal road system, shouldn't it be cheaper than other states where they contract out services? And the quality of roads in California does not reflect the amount spent.

Don't give me this garbage about government saving money. You can't point to a single instance where it does. Medicare has dreadful statistics on waste and corruption, and it will only get far worse.

So, what? That doesn't mean that the US will. Every other nation has a cheaper military. has that caused the US military to drop prices and spend less with war merchants?

Sorry if I undermine your childish faith in your rulers to give you "free" stuff at virtually no cost.

 

We aren't talking about the cost of delivery of care, we are talking about administrative expenses. You can keep calling me dumb, but how smart is a person who can't answer a simple question? Not very.

 

Exactly. That's why Medicare sucks. It's full of waste and fraud.

What an utterly pathetic, disgusting, and rotten attack. I have never said anything like that, I never would, and my own wife and daughter aren't white. I live in the most diverse city in the nation and in one of the most diverse neighborhoods. The fact that you force me to defend myself that way shows just how utterly devoid you are of intellectual honesty. It's close enough to a person attack that I'm also reporting you.

 

What a despicable thing to say. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

What a vile way to dodge a simple question. The levels that some people on this forum stoop to...

 

All humans are created equal so they can provide for themselves. Perhaps free food and shelter are deserved too in the Socialist Utopia.

 

What simple question. I haven’t heard one yet.

 

Sure, people can set their own bones and do their own heart procedures. I’m sure you’ve never been to a doctor.

 

There are ways to avoid Medicare. I as yet don’t see all the socialism complainers take advantage of it.

 

Wow. Make all the claims you want. Minorities aren’t always non white. The entire conservative attacks are against the working poor who can’t afford healthcare any more then they can afford a college education.

 

The working poor are a minority that represents those who most suffer from the rights indignation and lack of empathy. What, you think minorities are non white only ? They are anyone who can’t afford healthcare.

 

Tinkerbell ?.