Why 7WTC?

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  1. nastimarvasti

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    Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth consists of over 2,000 independent petition signers. So yeah, there are thousands. Who exactly has proven them wrong?

    And why does it matter if the material is old? Does science change with age? Maybe to a debunker.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    What you're pushing is NOT science....it's fantasy.
     
  3. nastimarvasti

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    What you're pushing is not fact, it's denial.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    I'm sorry you can't accept the facts,and feel the need to make stuff up on the fly,but that's not my fault.

    It's YOURS
     
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    And I'm sorry you can't accept or understand science from actual architects and engineers. That's not my fault. It's YOURS.
     
  6. Soupnazi

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    Architects and engineers for 911 truth does in fact consist of over 2000 petition signers. In that you are correct.

    The fact you ignore is that those petition signers are people who are not engineers or architects


    They are fast food workers, convenience store clerks, janitors, security guards and many other mundane occupations.

    A few might be legitimate engineers or architects. Such as Richard Gage whose architectural background and expertise consists of designing out door swimming pools for private residences but has never worked on designing buildings much less towers.

    The point is they are anything BUT engineers and architects despite the name of the website and their claim. They also have never presented any evidence period. They are strictly a bunch of conspiracy theorists who assert a bunch of claims with no evidence and no expertise.

    The point that it is old is that I have seen it many times and it has no scientific evidence or basis of any kind.

    Conspiracy theorists love to.repost old videos and links which have been seen over and over and debunked. They act as though it is new evidence or suppressed evidence or whatever. It is merely same old fiction.

    So answer my question and state the holes in the official story you claimed.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    So post a list of these 2000 names' then...Show me the 'science'
     
  8. nastimarvasti

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    According to the official site, it's over 2000 actual architects and engineers and 17000 other people which includes scientists and lawyers. You know...smart people. Not just fast food workers. Read under section 5 (Founder).

    http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/about-us.html

    Where are you getting this garbage from? Please post your sources.
     
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    See above and watch the AE video I posted. But I'm sure someone like you who doesn't believe anything fishy happened, "wasted" your time and watched it multiple times before.
     
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    Yes according to the official site.

    That same site also goes on to explain ANYONE can sign the petition.

    They have no screening process they simply allow anyone who wishes to sign up and those who do are merely conspiracy nerds in the basement with tin foil hats.

    The source is the website itself.

    They have no expertise and no science or evidence for their claims.

    There is no evidence of any sort supporting any twoofers claims.

    When asked for evidence they refer to you tube videos as YOU have. These videos are strictly fictional entertainment.

    BTW I am one of those petition signers. Me and some others signed it years ago to prove they do not check the background of any members and are not what they claim to be

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    No you need to show the holes I you refer to and stop referring to old debunked crap as evidence.

    You made the claim now back it up without a TV show.
     
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    Now who's the conspiracy theorist? Absolutely no sources. They do verify if you are an architect or engineer. It's clearly spelled out when you sign up. And yes, anyone can sign up, but you have to prove that you are an architect or engineer to be put on this list of over 2000.

    http://www.ae911truth.org/signatures/ae.html

    Scroll down for all the names.

    Why does the fact that the videos are on YouTube disqualify them? Would you prefer I send you DVD's. And if you had bothered to watch (I highly doubt you did) you would see it's not a tv show. It's a presentation. Visuals are needed for some of it. But just keep repeating yourself with the "no evidence" comments. I know it's easier for some of you.
     
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    No they do not require any proof what so ever that a signed is a real architect or engineer.

    They do not screen for authenticity or verify anything what so ever.


    You are now simply stating g an absolute falsehood.

    Now point out the holes you stated exist in the official theory and stop running.

    The TV show is entertainment and has no valid evidence or science of any kind.

    I have watched it and other sit coms as well.

    Now answer my question and stop fibbing
     
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    No science there.

    Anyone can claim to be something they are not in the internet.

    Hence A and Es list of jsckasses claiming to be experts
     
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    A simple Google search for each of these people would solve your problem.

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    a simple Google search of each of these people would solve your problem.
     
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    I'm sorry but you are completely full of it. If you're an average Joe, you don't need proof. But if you are an architect or engineer you do. Again, it says so in the instructions for signing up. You sign up and then there's a follow up email. Again, Google the people on the list and see for yourself who they are.

    Your comments about it being a TV show and having no science are just fantasy. It's very clear that either you're messing with me or you are in absolute denial. This thread being about building 7, I have already listed s few issues with the official story ie. NIST never checked for explosives, free fall collapse, thermite found, molten steel, building was never hit by a plane, steel structures don't collapse because of office fires and definitely not uniformly, witnesses hearing explosions, pull it, etc. There are so many. It seems at this point that your goal is not to prove anything, but to spread misinformation.
     
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    Simple search of theircomments most just want a more thourough investigation,not that there are 'holes'


    the rest just spout canned AE911 rhetoric
     
  19. nastimarvasti

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    On the signup page, it's reads:

    "Please Take Notice That:
    On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.
    Sincerely,
    The Undersigned"

    Sufficient doubt equals holes.
     
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    suffice to say their comments indicate otherwise

    Besides a 1999 estimate put the number of scientists and engineers at 3.5 million in the US alone....tsk.
     
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    That's precisely how it was determined they are frauds.

    Sort you have them problem not I that petition was long ago proven to be fraudulent when the signers are laymen not the experts they pose as.

    That is why the website allows anyone to sign it with no credentials
     
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    No it does not a hole is a specific falsehood or contradiction there are none or you would have given a specific example.

    The undersigned teenage conspiracy nut would be a more accurate statement
     
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    Yoiu are stating an outright lie.

    They do not and have never required proof whatsoever for anyone only a claim.

    Even the link YOU POSTED ALLOWS anyone to sign the petition maybe you missed the button one only need to click on to sign it.

    The video is proven garbage with no science.

    There was never a reason to check for explosives.

    There was never any free fall.

    Molten steel is irrelevant.

    Buildings fall from dire steel or other.

    Yes your video is fiction and proven so
     
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    But have all those people looked at this case?
     
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    Maybe you're missing it. If you try to signup as an A or E, there is a note on the page that reads clearly, "Note: This petition is for *architects and engineers (professionals and students) to sign. If you are such, we will display you on our supporters list after we have contacted you and carefully verified your information." Can't be any more clear than that. If you try to sign up as an ordinary Joe, there is no verification process.

    How is molten steel irrelevant when fire alone cannot melt it?

    No reason to check for explosives? Three buildings collapsed in a supposed terrorist attack. Two of which were designed to withstand airplane crashes. The WTC was bombed in 1993. No reason to check? You wouldn't make a very good detective.

    Sorry to break it to you, but there was free fall.
     

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