Why Arabs Do Not Trust the Biden Administration

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  1. truth and justice

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    Trump's surrender deal was support for the Taliban
     
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    SA has purchased tens/hundreds of billions of dollars worth of military equipment. So what military equipment is Biden removing? And is this not a good thing? How about removing all US troops too?
     
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    Where are you going to fight your enemies, on your soil or theirs?
     
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    The US has allied itself with the "enemy"
     
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    It is a personal attack, since there was no allied western support for the Iraq war with the GOP flat out lying around about WMD's.
    Don't you remember you started to call it "freedom fries" instead of French fries?
    The French, among nations were right. And the GOP and the likes of you got blood on your hands of 100.000's of people.

    Some people also just might think that lives matter.
    The US warfare about Vietnam killed well over 1 million civilians, some estimate it's above 3 million. The US utterly poisoned their land with their WMD's. And just like Afghanistan, the US is only cares about the idea that some 1000's of their own died for nothing in absolute total disregard on how many lives they destroyed. Safe to say that racism plays a massive roll.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Wherever we find them. This is a ridiculous question in the modern world and the age of terrorism. Anyone can be anywhere in less than 24 hours nowadays
     
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    "Talk softly and carry a big stick"

    Biden is about the most experienced diplomat and politician we have. The wisdom of that saying is not lost on him as it would be on Trump or almost any Republican
     
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    Biden is also removing the anti-missile system and US troops operating those systems from SA. Why is that a weakness. Should he do what SA want? - that would be a weakness
     
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    Well, maybe they are better off on their own then.

    Good luck!
     
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    As far as I can make up out of this, that system was put in place because of higher tensions with Iran. I can only guess these tensions were the result of Trump who just went ordered some Iranian to be murdered without any kind of trial. As a reprisal Iran bombarded American basis knocking a couple of 100 soldiers with concussions, who gotten a heads-up from Iran that their base is going to be destroyed. It showed that Iran can precision bomb US bases with ease, made 100% sure it happened without killing anybody and most of all without the US being able to do anything about it. That is a tremendous show of power.

    Biden seems to have eased them tensions and so them anti missile systems are no longer needed. Bit weird that some might see that easing tensions and working towards peace = weakness.




    As for projecting weakness from quitting Afghanistan. That is on the US army itself. They claimed that the war was going great, while 60,000 afghans they trained got slaughtered like flies. Their 4 star general claimed Iraq got WMD's at the UN, setting the stage to attack a helpless nation where subsequently 100,000 people died. They claimed they successfully killed a ISIS terrorist and his car showed secondary explosions on the very last day they were there. It's all lies. The US army is an institute where sexism/assault/rape and racism goes through the roof at the bottom, and lying fanatics are at the top. That innocent aid worker with all his children being murdered at the last day of US presence is indeed exemplary how it goes down. Coward Americans sitting in their bunkers droning civilians to death.... with impunity. You might not like to read this, but it's not as if you can honestly tell an Arab that those drone pilots were tossed in jail or fined in a massive way for the wrongful death of 10 civilians, almost all children when they liked it was an ISIS member who got killed with "secondary explosions". It's their perception that matters, not yours.
     
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    They are probably much better of with the Chinese approach. They make economic deals. That comes with an increase of revenue, but also a need for skilled workers. Skilled workers that need an education. Economic deals that come with a need to have a much better infrastructure. Key things to prosper and progress through life one generation after the other.
     
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    If they can trust the Chinese more than the US, then they should go with the Chinese. I think there is support in US in letting go of the Arab "allies". We help Egypt and some other Arab countries, but we have a special agreement with the Saudis, and it might be time to undo it. The only thing is that then SA would not have to honor their side of the deal either, which could be the end of the petro-dollar.
     
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    And exactly why shouldn't they trust the Chinese? The Chinese invested a massive amount in Africa and you can say whatever you want about how this is economically exploiting them in some way... what matters is if they kept their word. I think they have. But I'm all eyes/ears if my viewpoint needs to be changed.


    Yeah... "helped" Egypt. Egypt got rid of Mubarak, a militair dictator... a dictator the US fanatically supported. They held free elections. The outcome was not what was desired. Sisi took over, the right wing man of Mubarak's army who crowned himself president after botched elections. And again the us fanatically is supporting that dictator. The civilians fighting against these dictators are fighting Egyptian troops armed with -was it 1 billion worth?- equipment. FYI the Egyptian army controls the economy, from baking bread to the gas at the pumps.... them civilians fight hunger and no gas for their cars as well when they attempt to fight the Egyptian army. The grip on their life is absolutely suffocating them, while no American gives a single damn that this is their way of "spreading democracy".

    While you say.... that SA would not honor their side and bla bla bla. It far more plausible the US doesn't honor it's side. One president says one thing, the next can overturn it all. The words of America means nothing in the long run.
     
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    Because no one trusts commies

    Yes, helped. We poured billons into Egypt to keep their foreign policy Israel friendly.
     
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    Removing the Houthis from the list of terrorist organizations doesn't exactly strike me as an act of an experienced politician. It sent a "look, I'm prepared to meekly do whatever you ask just please behave" sort of message to the Iranian regime at the expense of longtime staunch US' allies. History is repleted with examples of tragic consequences of this kind of appeasing behavior.

    One such tragic consequence in the specific circumstances in the Middle East would be the abandonment of progressive causes in countries like Saudi Arabia, countries that are slowly and cautiously introducing much needed reforms against religious fanaticism and tribal customs. Absent Western support and Western projection of power, the Western model will no longer appeal to Arab rulers.
     
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    Since when did we become the Saudis' legal guardians? Was it Trump, or one of the Bush Presidents, who signed us up for that?
     
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    Helping an ally is not a weakness.

    I don't know what the original understanding between the US and the Saudis was regarding the anti-missile system and the US troops on Saudi soil, so I can't say if the American administration is breaking some previous commitments with this removal. The system doesn't seem to be helpful anyway, since Houthis' missiles routinely strike civilian areas in southern SA.
     
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    FDR
     
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    If by, "weakness," you mean that he projects the message that we're not going to try to be the policemen for the Middle East, then I'd agree with you and add, it's too bad we weren't weaker before we went into Iraq.
     
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    How so?
     
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    I asked you exactly why you shouldn't they trust the Chinese... and so far all you got is a biased approach.

    That is not helping Egypt, that is helping the Jews state. All the US does for Egypt is having it's population violently oppressed by a thug army dictatorship.
     
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    I'd have thought that Americans, and Westerners in general, would've known by now that problems in the Middle East tend not to stay in the Middle East.
     
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    Not going to try to be the policemen for Europe didn't stop Pearl Harbor, did it?

    The consequences of not doing something may sometimes be far more severe than the consequences of doing that something.

    I think Iraq was definitely a mistake though.
     
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    Roosevelt is largely responsible for forging the special bond of interlocking relationships with Saudi Arabia during WWII. Part of big powers politics and America's need for oil.


    "The origins of the “special relationship” between the United States and Saudi Arabia are rooted in the politics of World War II, driven by America’s growing demands for oil. Roosevelt understood that the war offered an opportunity for the emergence of new political relationships in the Middle East designed to challenge European influence and foster the new economic and political order he envisioned. He admitted to being “greatly interested” in developments in Saudi Arabia and he aimed to build a strategic partnership, a kind of Good Neighbor Policy for the Middle East, with the Saudi king as one of its cornerstones. The Americans saw him as the most important figure in the Middle East, not only due to his kingdom’s oil wealth and its importance to postwar plans, but also because of Ibn Saud’s political and religious standing with the Arabs throughout the region."

    https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781137025258_6
     
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    Right, but once the Chinese get involved, they will invite wrath of the Arabs upon themselves. Its all good.
     

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