Why Arabs Do Not Trust the Biden Administration

No. The wrath against America has nothing to do with American actions in the Middle East. It's much older.

The qutbist anti-US, anti-Western ideology that drives groups like al Qaeda and ISIS dates from the fifties, but the underlying ideas are older and some of them originate in 19th century India.

 

The US interference in the Far East resulted in Pearl Harbour

 

It was the West simply because the West meddled in the Mid-East business, but when the Chinese start meddling the "eye of mordor" will shift to the East.

 

"As long as we don't bomb and blast them constantly people won't do what we say"

Surprise, surprise

 

The reason Alqaeda was in Afghanistan prior to 9/11 was because Saudi Arabia kicked them out of SA

 

I'd say Pearl Harbor was the result of Japanese hegemonic ambitions.

 

Why do you think the Chinese aren't already meddling in the Middle East?

The West isn't hated by Muslim fundamentalists for what it does. It's hated for what it is. This is what the unbelievably naive Western politicians seem incapable to grasp.

Look at the plight of Uighur Muslims in China, or the Rohingya in Myanmar. Nobody cares. Neither China nor Myanmar - both oppressive regimes - are threatening the ancestral customs and laws of the Arab and Muslim world with such abominations as democracy, human rights, individual rights, religious tolerance, women's rights, minorities' rights, and other such Western atrocities.

Muslim fundamentalists are not justice warriors.

 

How is that an answer to my post? I was talking about US allies, is US constantly bombing and blasting them?

 

People hate whatever they're told to hate. The west, and especially the US, has been a target of negative propaganda and disinformation for a very long time. The Soviets got that ball rolling many decades ago.

 

Oh yes. Aggressive Soviet propaganda was more effective in shaping Arab post-Ottoman mentality than anything Western powers ever did.

 

Maybe a little, but they will move in en masse when we move out.

No, it has everything to do with what the West has done, and it goes waaaay back, and Europeans were at it before the US. The Chinese will create reasons for people to hate them and it will happen fast. It wont take long until the Arabs realize the Chinese are meddling only to advance their own interests and dont give a rip about the Arabs.

If you don't believe me, then ask ISIS. They say they fight the West because:
1. The West’s disbelief in Islam
2. The prevalence of secularism
3. Atheism
4. ‘Transgressions’ against Islam
5. Military operations
6. Territorial incursions.

The Chinese already have 1-4 in their back pocket, and they are gearing up for 5 and 6.

Its almost as if war on terror is going away by accident. Well, its not going away, its just the radical islamists will have a new target in China.

 

Not sure what your point is .. even if your claim was true . .. Islamist Nut Job group - one of many - pisses off the leadership - not uncommon - and gets booted.

In this case however - El Saud had every reason to distance itself from Bin Laden - for the Embassy bombings in 1998 - but El Saud and the various support networks did not distance themselves from Al Qaeda - or other Salafist Jihadists groups that they sponsor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

So what is your point ?

 

You said:

"Absent Western support and Western projection of power," and the first thing that came to mind was Ameican drone strikes in Yemen and Iran. I'm sorry that didn't serve your purpose

 

I can't for the life of me see how our best course of action now isn't to just leave the Arabs strictly alone. It's what they want and it's what most experts say would best for them and it is certainly best for us. As I understand it we don't need their oil anymore and that is unlikely to change and this is always what everyone said they wanted all along.

 

China is heavily investing in Middle Eastern countries, but their political games are oriented more toward India, Taiwan, and Japan. Russia is more interested in gaining political and military footholds in Arab countries - mainly to have access to warm blue water that doesn't freeze in the winter and to be able to keep an eye on (and weapons pointed at) Turkish shenanigans.

Why don't jihadists attack Russian targets, by the way? If boots on the ground and interference in internal matters are what really bother the fundamentalists, why aren't Russians and Russia the target of terrorist attacks following the botched invasion of Afghanistan and their involvement in Syria as allies of the hated Shia? For that matter, why isn't Turkey, whose Ottoman rulers oppressed Arabs and fought bitter wars against them for over six centuries - and under Erdogan has become again a threat - the target of the same ferocious vilification as the US and why aren't jihadists calling for its destruction?

Sometimes I get the feeling that the vast majority of the Westerners see Arabs - and the larger Muslim world - as some sort of marionettes whose strings are pulled solely by the West, unable to act and think for themselves. The history of the Middle East didn't begin with the European interference, in fact for most of the history Muslims were those interfering in Europe. It's not like the Middle East quietly and peacefully kept to itself until evil Europeans and Americans decided to interfere just because. Such a simplistic view not only ignores centuries of history, but it's a very dangerous slippery slope toward a "blame the victim" attitude in the face of one of the greatest threats to the civilized world.

Yes, violent terrorists nowadays know how to encase their hatred and blood lust in a nice, righteous, false-grievances-laced package, using the language of human rights.

If you want to understand what drives ISIS, you need to understand their ideology.

ISIS, like al Qaeda and other adepts of violent jihad, are following the teachings of Sayyd Qutb, the extremist ideologue of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/a-lesson-in-hate-109822568/

Democracy and freedom are the worst enemies of radical Muslims. China has neither.

 

The US is not weak. Our brave soldiers stood and protected them for twenty years. In all that time, they could have strengthened themselves to stand and fight for themselves. They knew we would not be there forever and as soon as we started moving back (to allow them to take their rightful place and stand up) they capitulated. Right now, our soldiers are home and they are tired. They are heartbroken. They are grieving. They have questions about what the last twenty years was for just to end up like this. We asked them to do a job and they did it. And, former President Trump started pulling them out and Biden finished what he started. Nobody there was taken *by surprise*. Nobody there woke up one day and almost all the US troops were gone and, in the end, it was their battle to fight.

Every single domestic violence center advocate, mental health professional, law enforcement officer and US judge will say the same thing. When a person (a people/country) get tired of being abused, they WILL stop it and until such time there is not anything anybody else can do for them except encourage them to find the inner strength to stand up for themselves.

We've given them our soldiers' lives, time, energy, courage, resilience, billions of dollars, even more billions in equipment and weapons and training. Our part is done. So, unless you want to catch a flight there, stand up for people that clearly do not want to defend themselves and waste another <how many ever> decades, I wish you the very best.

However, you do not have the right to live under the freedom that our soldiers (by shipping out and going wherever they are ordered to go) provide and malign them. You have the right to say what you want to say, but you don't have the right to say it without pushback from those of us that have lost loved ones in EVERY war this country has been in since this country was founded. You have the privilege and the protection of the United States Constitution and it is OUR MILITARY, OUR MEN AND WOMEN that give you that luxury.

 

So many mistakes .. where to begin.. and the end I suppose .. Communism is no friend to Religion - Period ... and the Russian's have had way more terrorist attacks on their soil than the US from Salafi Islamist Extremists .. in the ex soviet/soviet Stans - many from these nations went to fight in the Holy Jihad in Syria .. the fight againt "Secularism" not "Democracy" Freedom Yes .. democracy no.

So you get a completely false for your Russian comment - and a mostly false for the last.

This comment was so off the mark it had to be repeated .. the vast majority of westerners feed on western propaganda ... believing that Al Qaeda is round every corner .. the evil enemy 911 terrorists .. and so on.

Seems to me like the only string being pulled is ours .. spent the last decade fighting alongside Al Qaeda and Brother Saud .. spawn of Al Qaeda and their salfist brand of Islamist extremism .. in 2 wars .. and to think of it .. the last 2 decades turning Secular Muslim Lands in to Strict Sharia Jihadist Vunderbar.

To finish on a high note .. your comments on China's influence in the ME and other places was on target.

 

I listed the reasons why they hate us. If Democracy was the reason, then why would the limit their attacks on only a fraction of Democratic nations, and focus only on those countries which have meddled in Mid-East?

Once China moves in, they WILL become the new targets.

The claim that they attack us only because they 'hate our freedoms' is ridiculous. There is much more to it than that.

Bin Laden's first 1996 fatwā is entitled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places".

Second fatwa 1998 : complains of American military presence in the Arabian Peninsula, the blockade of Iraq, and American support for Israel. It purports to provide religious authorization for indiscriminate killing of Americans and Jews everywhere. It appeared in February 1998 and the embassy bombings followed in August.

 

Their fascination was arisen after the defenders of democracy and the
defenders of other such false ideologies (who have no religion) defended democracy simply for the sake of it, and they mixed the falsehood with the Truth.
..... They distort the Truth with Falsehood, and mix the Light with the Darkness, and the Polytheism of democracy with the Monotheism of Islam. But we, with the help of Allah, replied to all of these fallacies, and showed that democracy is a religion. But it is not Allah’s religion. It is not the religion of monotheism, and its parliamentary councils are just places of polytheism, and safe havens for paganistic beliefs. All of these must be avoided to achieve monotheism, which is Allah’s right upon His servants. We must destroy those who follow democracy, and we must take their followers as enemies - hate them and wage a great Jihad against them.
Abu Muhammad 'Aasim al-Maqdisi

 

Forging good diplomatic relations with the Saudis, is in no way the same as committing ourselves to being their nursemaids and body guards. So your blaming FDR for those politicians who currently curry favor with Saudis and act as their lackeys, is a laughably ridiculous gambit, on your part.

We have sold the Saudis a great deal of the most sophisticated military hardware in the world. Using that equipment, however, is their responsibility.

 

Yeah, whatever.