Why are all the Brexiters not hip hip hooraying at No Deal?

An agreement to have agreements to have agreements is psychologically better than nothing at all given all the hysteria going on. People are emotionally masturbating all over the place for all sorts of reasons. I was reading through some of the tweets on Gavin Williamson's uturn on school openings yesterday and it was sad the twisted logic some of the posters were using to still criticize the decision even though they agreed with it--things like It is the right thing to do do but you are evil because I now have an upset child that won't get to see her friends. All your fault!!!!

 

Of course it is better than no deal...but it is no final deal as Boris likes to say and if they have blown Britains financial services sector that is going to be a big miss. I remember when Thatcher was getting rid of our manufacturing she said the service sector would be where the jobs were and that was very much the financial services. People are surely right to point out that we have loads of consulting still to be done on how we leave. The issue is in no way solved. Do we have any more 'sovereignty'? I doubt it...but we may have lost a lot through not getting a deal on Financial Serivces. As May herself was pointing out even her deal was much better than this...but Boris was surrounded by No Dealers so I guess must be given some credence for at least, at the last moment, not going for that.

 

I thought this was cute. Boris's Dad is applying for French Citizenship as he is an EU Man. Better late than never.

Boris Johnson's father applying for French citizenship (nypost.com)

 

Financials are just subject to future regulations at this point. No duties on trade averts some of the worst of it. They just have to sort out streamlining the customs. The EU gets their no hard border in Ireland and they both get/suffer the fisheries parts of the deal. Mostly it seems like business as usual with a little more paperwork needed for people working across borders.

 

I guess my view, from the other side of the Atlantic, would be that we'll have to wait and see.

 

Mine too

 

I think the EU is wanting to take over from the UK on financial issues.

From the quote I left in post 25

Of course Covid has interrupted thought/discussion on Brexit.


I don't know how old you are so I don't know if you are aware that before the UK joined the EU it was called 'the poor man of Europe'

Except the whole point of Brexit was that it would not be. After 4 years there still is no agreement on the key areas which were causing the problems - they have just shifted them to the future.

 

From a continental perspective the EU - UK agreement is a good deal.
Finally in Italy we will have dishwashers!
The greatest news are about going to work in UK: you need to have a contract with a good salary or wage and you have to know English [level B something].

It was a nice trick to go there to be a dishwasher for the time necessary to learn a decent English. Nope. This is no more possible: stay in Italy to work as a dishwasher! We need dishwashers as well, come on!

For the rest ... no customs tariffs, UK remains in the European free trade area [like Norway and others], there is a quite complicated regulation of competition [basic environmental rules in common, and so on ...], but nothing special.

 

I have just been out to my local co-op. Half the fruit and veg trays were empty. I doubt this is due to Covid.

More problems with deliveries.

EU firms refuse UK deliveries over Brexit tax changes - BBC News

 

It is a bit strange.

I wonder if this applies to everybody.

Would a guitar store in NYC selling used guitars have to register to HMRC and for VAT now to sell me a guitar?

Or, is this just belly aching from a bunch of lazy Europeans?

I fear it's the former though.

On the plus side, buying UK should mean all duties are paid upon delivery, no?

 

I noticed something like this in Tesco (in Thornton Heath), on the UK mainland, 7 miles from Westminister...

I saw the energy drink section was moved and made smaller and in its place, a whole wall of UK looking water... and my pack of McVitites Digestives looks different and I swear tastes different.
But...
Whoever said the Brits knew how to cook, lied to you; just a price to pay for EU freedom I guess.

Hey, @alexa , Imagine what your co-op would look like if Scotland left the UK...

 

This was apparently something which was brought up as a potential problem about a year ago and then left as everyone was only talking about Covid.

HMRC have changed tax rules/VAT rules which place an admin burden on Companies supplying the goods. UK Companies have no option but to go by this. This affects not just the EU but everyone we are doing business with and they will have to work out whether it is worth the time and money.

It makes it more expensive and time consuming to deal with the UK. It makes sense that people will need to work out whether it is worth it.

This gives all the details.

Brexit Tax Changes Trade Boycott for Britain - YouTube

 

One of the N Ireland big supermarkets had to buy in Spar products to sell because they could not get their own due to delivery problems. There was talk in a no deal situation that fruit and veg could become scarce and significantly more expensive but of course this is not the case. I am not sure what is going on. I just noticed it.

 

Fruit and veg missing are apparently something going on Britain wide as Lorries are having problems getting through. Medicines as well which could not come at a worse time. They can be delivered by air but that makes them much more expensive. Other delivery difficulties as well as people deciding it is not economically worth continuing to deal with the UK looks like it could cause a massive rise in the cost of living. Definately nothing like having our cake and eating it.

Brexit Lorry Disruption to Get Worse, According to Government - YouTube