Why are atheists so threatened by Intelligent Design?

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Mention Intelligent Design to an atheist and suddenly their fingers go in their ears and they start saying "la la
    la la". What is the big deal? Why are atheists so threatened by Intelligent Design?

    The teaching of ID in schools really gripes some people. I'm not in favor of it myself but it doesn't bother me that much either. It bothers some so much that the Flying Spaghetti Monster was created to protest the teaching of Intelligent Design as an alternative to evolution:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flying_Spaghetti_Monster&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop


    Evolution is not perfect by any means. Many gaps in the fossil record alone almost make it a "non-theory". And when one looks at the past of evolution and those who believed so strongly in it one must wonder if evolution should be taught. Just look at Darwin's thoughts on race:

    Charles Darwin wrote in his work The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex:
    Savage races? Apes?

    Here is Darwin's thoughts on women:

    Charles Darwin wrote in his work The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex:
    So according to Darwin men are superior to women.

    Another scientist who studied evolution was Ernst Haeckel. He studies Darwin and took the study of race even further:

    Racial purity? Was atheist Haeckel a racist? Here is what he believed:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ernst_Haeckel&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop

    Why would atheists be so protective of teaching evolution if this is the shameful past of it? Are they trying to maintain control of what is taught whether it is actual scientific truth or just propaganda?
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Does God know all things?
    Does God know what every one does and will do?
     
  3. crank

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    Teaching it at schools would be like teaching that the Tooth Fairy is real and watching over us. No one wants kids taught nonsense unless it's taught as an anthropological or cultural curiosity.

    If you equate an expectation for sound science in schools with 'fear', you may exist in a fantasy realm yourself.
     
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    Why are Theists so threatened by Evolution?
     
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    Why are some supernaturalists so fearfully ignorant of science?
     
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    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Threatened" is a pretty loaded and unnecessary word. And it isn't just atheists who are upset about ID. Any true scientist or rational individual should be upset about it being taught in public science classes because it isn't science. Teach it in a social studies course of some kind, but keep it away from things that are actually scientific.
     
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    Atheists are not threatened by it, they oppose the effort to teach the middle eastern creation tale as science in public schools.
    Actually, creationism was the norm, before science was taken as seriously as religion. It is the creationists who are threatened by the theory of evolution, because now that is taught instead. The problem for Christians is that even if the theory of evolution were refuted tomorrow, that is no guarantee Christianity would be taught in place of it. That is because there are so many religions and creation tales, we would have to teach all of them.
    The debate I actually pretty silly. Religion should not be anywhere near public schools. Parents can teach their kids creationism, but they have no right to use the classroom to promote religious philosophies.
    I will put myself on the line to protect Christian rights against the liberals who seek to destroy the faith, but it doesn't mean I support religion infringing on me.
     
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    Darwinism was part and parcel of Hitler's racial superiority ideas. It may not have been the sole factor, but it was a necessary one.

    Nice quote from Darwin on women, I'll have to save it the next time some atheist says Christianity is anti-woman.
     
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    (My bold)

    Yah, Darwin & others had opinions on whole subject areas he hadn't really studied - race, the relative strengths & weaknesses of each race; women, their intellectual & bodily, spiritual, moral & etc. strength as cf. to men. Yep, have a good time with it.

    Meanwhile, the Nobel Prizes in math, biology, physics, medicine, etc. have been awarded to women. Please name me one R. Catholic pope who was a woman since recorded history, a woman who was an Imam, a woman who was a rabbi, & so on. No rush, I'll wait.

    The difference being that Darwin, although seminal in evolution, did not lay down dogma. Science is self-correcting - Blacks, Jews, Gentiles, women, Hispanics, Japanese, straight, homosexual, Hindi, carnivore, omnivore, vegetarian - none of that matters. It's Do the ideas hold up? Can the experiments be replicated by anybody?
     
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    Very well put.
     
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    Once again, you argue a straw man. Do you ever get tired of being wrong and dishonest?
     
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    Darwin never claimed to be perfect, nor do scientist of today, claim Darwin to be without flaws...as were most men (and women) of that period. Having said that, the notion that somehow that undermines Darwin's accomplishments is completely irrelevant.

    Oh, and the first one to Hitler loses. That would be you.
     
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    I can see why you would be embarrassed by him, both of you being such staunch believers in Darwin.
     
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    Why bash Darwin? He had more brain power than everyone on this thread put together. Some of his detractors also shared the same observations on race and sex.

    He was not PC, didn't have the benefit of his mind being controlled by the TV and community "leaders." Actually much of what he and others said has more than a grain of truth to it, but it would not be PC to admit the races and sexes are indeed different, as we humans are supposed to pretend we are all the same, yet there are several subspecies of other animals who are quite different but we don't call that species-ism, we just accept and appreciate the differences.. Yes we are all exactly the same, the same physically, mentally and emotionally. A retarded dude can be a rocket scientist and a woman can be heavyweight champion. Blacks are just as good at hockey as whites can play basketball just as well and run as fast as an Ethiopian! If a woman, a man, a black and an Asian were all decomposed, we wouldn't be able to tell the difference because we are all the same!!!
    Also not PC were liberal champions, such as Margaret Sanger, who promoted birth control and abortion as a means of lowering the black birth rate. Does this mean birth control is bad and racist? John Muir, environmentalist, a man who is my hero, had issues with the "savages". Does that mean he was bad and his life's work invalid? His experiences with Indians were quite different than ours. How can we judge individuals who lived over a century ago and whose experiences were quite different than our own? Henry Ford and Charles Lindberg held negative views about Jews, so do we dig them up, flog them and strip them of their considerable accomplishments because they didn't realize their views would be politically incorrect in the latter part of their centuries?
    Malcolm X, MLK and other black heroes had some skeletons in their closets, things which if known would cause some to reject their greatness. Even though MLK liked to beat white hookers does not negate his accomplishments. Malcolm X was a black separatist, but I believe he was a great man. President Lincoln was a white separatist. He planned to send blacks back to Africa. Does that mean he was evil? Perhaps in the mind of those who don't have the imagination or enlightenment to judge the content of people' s characters within the context of the time frame they lived in.

    So, lets not assume we, the spoiled generations who are presiding over the fall of the once great America, who had most everything already invented and built for us, have a moral or intellectual right to pass judgment on great men and women of the past. They were clearly superior to us, even if they weren't PC.
     
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    It's their failed strategy. Attack Darwin's credibility and respectability in the hopes it will undermine the strength of his research and accomplishments. >>>MOD EDIT: FLAMEBAIT<<<
     
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    Reading comprehension much?...where did I even imply I was embarrassed by Darwin or his accomplishments???

    >>>MOD EDIT: FLAMEBAIT<<<
     
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    Pointing out that a single person was a misogynist doesn't negate the misogyny in Christianity. You might as well whip out the fact that the sky is blue the next time someone mentions it.
     
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    What are you talking about? LOL!
     
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    So you equate male headship with misogyny? Funny, this coming from the same crowd here that generally approves of abortion, with 2,000+ girl babies killed every day.

    Hint: I really don't care about Darwin's quote, and Christianity isn't misogynist. It was seen as so pro-woman that is was derided as a religion of women in ancient Rome.

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    Sigh, I ask that question all the time on this forum, doombug.
     
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    Wow, that's intelligent, call your oponents retards and idiots, did Darwin do that? What are you, a third-grader?
     
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    Hey, the "Debating Champion" can't understand your statement......BWAHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

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    Thanks for admitting your a Creatard/IDiot. Perfect!

    Now, when you can support your Faith with Facts, come'n back and give it another try.
     
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    So, where are all those peer-reviewed papers from the ID crowd?...Ya know, Demski, Behe, Meyer.....Where's all that "Science"?
     
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    As I said the last time you mentioned this, treating women like dogs instead of worms isn't really something to be celebrated. It's like lauding a parent for giving up spanking their children in favor of emotional abuse. The entire Bible treats women like property and generally inferior to men. Today, the more orthodox a Christian sect is, the more it treats women that way.

    And what's funny here is that you can't seem to make a single post without bringing in irrelevant side-points. Abortion has nothing to do with this thread. Misogyny shouldn't either, but, like yourself, the OP can't seem to stick to one topic. Derailed his/her own thread after a couple of sentences.
     
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    Ignorance posted:
    Really?...Human Chromosme 2, Endogenous Retroviruses, DNA.....Explain that outside of the theory of Evolution.

    There are gaps in the fossil record, as expected, but the real think missing is, your intellectual honesty.
     
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    Total Garbage. What's it like living in this fantasy land of yours?

    Those have no bearing on whether evolution is factual, or how it works, or indeed anything of any real relevance at all.

    Hitler promoted stop-smoking campaigns. Does that mean stop-smoking campaigners should be ashamed? Can you understand the simple idea that 'the past' of people who are related to a concept has utterly no relevance to the actual concept itself?

    No.
     

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