Why are guns holy objects in this country?

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    On the face of the earth, I cannot think of another country that views guns as highly as America (other countries don’t have the 2A, but that’s beside the point). For anyone who is empathic, it’s hard to take this issue objectively, especially those who are victims of a mass shooting. These shootings are becoming a monthly basis, and the country is becoming numb. Armed guards would not have necessarily stopped 12 people from being shot in California, four officers responded to the gunman in Pittsburgh, and all four were wounded.

    I’ve always said the days of Ralphie shooting a BB gun are over, the country has become too dangerous for children to have BB guns these days. And these mass shootings are proving me right. Guns and mental health intertwine like a poisonous flower. Should we fear a mass shooting on Black Friday because they have become so common?

    It’s time to stop treating guns as if they are part of the family, or matter more than other parts of the family. The shooting in CA makes it the third mass shooting this year alone. People matter more than guns. People kill people, but we have to stop the purchase of firearms online, walk easily out of a gun show with one, and broaden background checks. This “good guy with a gun” idea hasn’t worked, four good guys with guns in Pittsburgh didn’t stop one of the worst mass shootings in history.

    Christ didn’t award us with an AR-15 and kiss it, it’s time to stop treating them that way.
     
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    Sometimes a gun is the only thing that keeps a 100lb woman from being raped by a 250lb man.
     
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    You’re talking about self defense. No one is arguing self defense here, it’s putting an end to these mass shootings

    Some of the victims at this Ventura bar shooting were victims of the Las Vegas shooting.
     
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    Too dangerous for a BB gun? Are you kidding me?

    Grow up.
     
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    I’m sure mothers in Chicago would disagree with this assessment.
     
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    Having a BB gun is not what's killing their children. Also: its already illegal what they do. Gun control didn't help pre mcdonald v chicago and it hasn't helped post either.
     
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    Doesn't matter one bit. There are plenty of examples of where a good guy with a gun stopped a mass shooting or decreased loss of life. One happened in GA just the other day. And you pretend it didn't even happen. smh...
     
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    It's a fascination for me as well. But I've learned that it is a subject that will never see the two sides agreeing or seeing the other side.
     
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    I agree. Gun rights are treated better than voting rights. Its nuts
     
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    Exactly how would you propose putting an end to these mass shootings? The problem is not the gun itself, its what is in someones heart & mind! Going back to the shooter of the republican Congressmen, Las Vegas, Church in Texas and now Ventura, you are talking about four mentally disturbed men who acted on their evil impulses out of a population of 320 million! How do we weed out and stop these kind of people before they act?
     
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    Notice how gun control advocates aren’t actually trying to confiscate guns, but rather fill the potholes in the system as it stands, such as what I said. As many examples as you can give saying a good guy with a gun stops this or that, I can still prove it’s not a one size fits all solution with what just happened in Pittsburgh.
     
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    Guns and mental health are the problem. It’s not one or the other, it’s both. Putting an end to a lot of what is broken in the system would hopefully begin to reduce mass shootings. We aren’t going far enough with background checks, as far as the individuals mental and emotional state, halt the sale of weapons online so not so many are circulated, make it harder to leave a gun show with a firearm, these types of solutions. Then also have the FBI actively monitor social media for any signs of a mass shooting about to take place. We saw the Pittsburgh shooter make a lot of hostile statements on social media. These are actually conceivable solutions.
     
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    I agree. We can do a lot better
     
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    Guns are not the problem, mental health is the problem. A gun in the hands of responsible Americans will do no harm. Someone with mental illness will do harm whether or not they have a gun.
     
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    Probably the most stupid post I have read here and that’s saying something. Even if there’s just a hint of truth in the remark what you are in fact saying is one prevented rape justifies a massacre for every month, 33000 gunshot deaths a year and two children with gunshot wounds hospitalised everyday. For what, so a small man can look big.
     
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    You deny that armed women prevent their rape often?
     
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    instilling fear while providing comfort is by definition, holy ;)
     
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    What makes you think guns in the U.S. are "holy objects" or "worshipped" by Americans.

    Most Americans like guns for one and only one simple reason.

    They are fun.

    All the other reasons like hunting, self defense, or defending against government tyranny are mere excuses to dress up the fact that most Americans think they are really cool and fun.
     
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    Another gun thread. These go on forever like the abortion threads.
     
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    A gun is just another tool. This particular tool is protected by the second amendment. Various people have various reasons for keeping them including hunting, self protection and sport. A very few use them for evil purposes.

    I have no use for them except self protection. We are isolated and have to depend on ourselves. The guns rarely leave the house. Target practice in my back yard and an occasional trip to a gun smith.
     
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    In regards to background checks and the notion that we are not going far enough what else do you propose be included in the background check for firearm purchase?
     
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    To answer your question, I don’t know and neither do you, she could or she couldn’t. But that has nothing to do with the original post. I have answered your reply so now answer mine
     
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    He's right. Back when I was a child I had a BB gun rifle and my friends did as well and much to the dismay of our parents we would routinely run around the neighborhood playing "war" with each other with the things. I still have the scar on my calf from one of those days...

    Nowadays you don't exactly want your child walking around with a BB gun in public. I don't think he was saying BB guns themselves are dangerous but letting your kid even have a BB gun in public is dangerous unlike back in the day when all of the kids in my neighborhood ran around with BB guns and nobody freaked out thinking we had real guns and called the cops thinking we were about to go shoot up our elementary school.
     
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    One should note two things here, first CA has as many gun laws as leftist can pass, they seem to be woefully ineffective. 2nd, the shooter quoted a recent leftist talking point about the only thing we seem to do is say sorry for your loss or you're in our prayers, so I wonder who triggered this nut?
     
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    When I mention that we had BB gun fights growing up, it creates a bit of disbelief. The only person who was seriously hurt was one of my friends who stepped on a rusty nail which ended up getting infected and they removed part of his heel. It was great fun. I also carried a 22 rifle to school on a school bus.. We used it in a school play. It probably looked a bit peculiar for a Pilgrim to be carrying a bolt action rifle.
     

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