Why are Republicans so opposed to vote by mail?

Still haven't decided what to do with that winning Lotto ticket, I notice.

Here's a tip: do not mail it in.

 

I agree , people should always be able to enjoy the act of casting a vote in person and being rewarded with a little sticker that proclaims they voted..
BUT

Being lazy and capable are 2 different things. As stated in another post. 1200 polling sights have recently disappeared...some people may have to drive an hour or more each way to vote ..then when they do arrive at the polling station, the wait may be one or 2 hours The election is on a Tuesday when most people are working. Do we really need another national holiday so people can simply vote ?? Many states already use mail in or online voting. That system just needs to be scaled to the national level .. Times are changing. Live with it

 

28 states allow mail ballots with no reason.

this number will keep going up!!!!

 

I agree that that is wrong.

 

It's odd and a little shameful that Republicans fear voting by mail so much

 

People always call things they don't understand "odd." I gave my reasons.

 

It's that which I question that is not rational.

Why are you only worried about "big problems"? How do you know there have been no "big problems"?

"The U.S. Election Assistance Commission’s survey figures are, unfortunately, limited. Many local election officials simply ignore the questions posed to them and decline to fill out the survey. The city of Chicago’s election department has been silent about mail ballot failures for eight years running, for example. So was the state of Oregon, which withheld data for “unknown” (the category where a state doesn’t know what happened to a ballot) for the 2014 and 2016 elections.

In 2018, however, Oregon mailed out over 2.8 million ballots, according to the EAC report. Roughly 60,200 were “undeliverable,” raising serious questions about the accuracy of the state’s voter registration list. Almost 870,000 ballots are listed in the “unknown” category. That means the failure rate of Oregon’s mail balloting system was more than 32 percent."
https://www.heritage.org/election-i...s-hidden-voting-epidemic-mail-ballot-failures

No you haven't by a long shot. There's plenty of history and study online if your interested.

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In 2016 almost a quarter of votes were carried by the post, according to the federal Election Assistance Commission. But roughly 1% of submitted absentee ballots were rejected. About half of the time, the voter’s signature was missing or didn’t match the John Hancock on file. Another quarter of these ballots arrived after the deadline. All in all, 319,000 votes were thrown out.

Black and Hispanic mail voters in Florida had rejection rates in 2018 that were twice as high: 2% and 2.1%, compared with 0.9% for whites, according to a study by the state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. In several counties the minority rejection rates passed 3% or 4%. Among first-time voters, 3.1% of ballots were thrown out. That call is often made by local officials, who are simply eyeballing the voter’s signature against the version on record.....

In 27 states, “a voter can designate someone to return their ballot,” says the National Conference of State Legislatures. This practice is often restricted to family members and caregivers, or with rules that cap the number of ballots any single person may return. Not always. “Ballot harvesting” has made news in California, where activists have canvassed neighborhoods collecting votes. The registrar in Orange County reported in 2018 that his office had “people dropping off maybe 100 or 200 ballots.”...

So imagine: It’s Nov. 4, 2020. Swarms of people have voted by mail for the first time, many of them incorrectly. State election officials are struggling to keep up with the deluge. The presidential race is tight, with Donald Trump or Joe Biden (pick your poison) leading nationally by 500,000, similar to the popular vote in 2000. But something like a million mail-in ballots have been thrown out.

The Electoral College comes down to Ohio and Wisconsin, where the contenders are separated by several thousand votes. For 10 days, late ballots keep being counted in Ohio. As voters race to fix bad signatures, it sets off a scramble of challenges and counter-challenges. Mr. Biden files a lawsuit pointing to higher rates of ballot rejection in areas with more black voters. Mr. Trump accuses Democratic activists in Wisconsin of mass ballot harvesting. Maybe a canvasser in Milwaukee finds a box of votes in his trunk that he—whoops—forgot to deliver....

...At best, mass mail voting is a roll of the dice, calculated against the grim reality of the pandemic. If the country is lucky, the 2020 election, whoever wins, won’t be decided by a whisker. Then as the coronavirus is tamed, the temporary measures should end. For ballot security and democratic legitimacy, it’s hard to beat going to the polls on Election Day"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-vote-by-mail-nightmare-11590189749?mod=opinion_lead_pos1

 

Why? It's quite rational and shows who is more interested in the integrity of our elections.

 

Your "gotchya" question was irrational.

First of all, I don't believe anything Heritage publishes. Secondly, EVERY STATE has many deceased voter names on their roles and they don't cause any problem, and many clean them up from time-to-time. Thirdly, you can be sure our Republicans in our state House and Senate are VERY interested in proving our mail-in ballot system is rife with fraud because they are very interested in reducing the number of people who vote AND in eliminating the audit trail that mail-in ballots create. And finally, try honestly researching the reports Oregon produces on our system. After all, you said "there's plenty of history and study online if your interested." The problem seems to be that you only want to look at right wing biased bullshit.

So now you're telling us the system is monitored, checked, and kept legitimate. And it HAS TO because the ballots constitute what right wingers hate most: an audit trail.

Again, it's checked and problems don't slip through. Thanks for mentioning that!

These things are far more avoidable than republicans shutting down voting polls in democratic communities and telling voters to "be sure to vote on Wednesday".... the day AFTER the election. And there is a list of about a dozen favorite ways republican cheat. I'll begin to take you seriously when you start complaining and exposing the republican tricks too. But you won't.

 

No but the idea that we cannot conduct elections unless we open them up to mailin voting is.

And you simple dismissal refutes nothing, it stands until you can refute it. So again it's not about being "rife" in a close election a handful of votes could change the outcome. My go to the poll and cast by vote has an audit trail, always has they know it was me when I voted and record I did vote. That's ALL I want the government to know, once my ballot is cast they have no business knowing how I voted.

Since when? What kind of audit are you talking about. I identify myself at the polling place, these days it merely scans my drivers license but their are workers there to log you in even if your ID is not scannable. What more audit do you need?

I just showed where more so for blacks and hispanics.

People do vote on Wednesdays these days it your responsibilty to know when and where to vote and both sides play such polling games and we should stop it all, one kind doesn't excuse or mitigage another.

This is about ballot problems and maintaining their integrity, do focus. If your argument is "well Republicans do it here so we get mail-in voting with its danger to that integrity" I'll dismiss that one out of hand.

 

Even Republican politicians will be able to figure out how to rig elections with mail ballots.
The "left" has never been very good at anticipating the ultimate outcome of their hair brained policies.


PHILLY VOICE, South Philly judge of elections pleads guilty to stuffing ballot boxes, accepting bribes, Prosecutors say Domenick DeMuro, 73, inflated results for Democratic primary candidates, By Michael Tanenbaum Headshot BY MICHAEL TANENBAUM , PhillyVoice Staff, MAY 21, 2020.
https://www.phillyvoice.com/voter-f...lty-domenick-demuro-democrat-voting-machines/

 

It appears that Republicans HATE mail voting, because they think the higher voter participation rate goes, the more likely there will be a Democrat outcome.

 

Ordinary American Republicans and Democrats hate vote fraud and election rigging.
RP pols are convinced that DP pols are better at vote fraud and election rigging, but even The Stupid Party will be able to figure out how to manufacture votes with mail voting.
Relax, the RP will stop opposing mail voting as soon as they start winning elections with mail in ballots.

 

Would you stop with the stupidly trying to make it about emotions. You've been given reasoned arguments try dealing with them in a reasoned manner.

 

the only reason is "voter fraud", and its been pointed out that there have never been any significant instances of voter fraud.

its a hoax.

 

Dang, son. You're killing it, LOL.

 

We find voter fraud all the time what are you talking about. This will make it easier to engage in. And it doesn't have to be "significant" to change the outcome of an election and have huge consequences. As I have repeatedly cited go look at the race for the Virginia statehouse in 2016. How "significant" would it have to be there to matter?

 

give us links to some examples

 

That's because you are an honest person. Devious Democrats are masters of voter fraud.

 

I posted the Heritage database for just the last four years already.

But got you on record that voter fraud has never and will never happen and what that says about your knowledge of elections.

 

and yet you have no examples of voter fraud by Democrats

 

I don't see how that matters. If there is a single vote either not counted or cast bogusly, it's a problem. Voting in person, with an ID, obviates both.

 

got any examples?

no? then your comment is irrelevant

 

You don't have the SLIGHTEST concern?

I think this is from the same article Bluesguy cited already:

As the secretary of state told radio host Erick Erickson, there are 75,000 pending voters among a record total of 7 million registered in the state. Of these, 9,224 are minors under 18; 2,935 used a fake address; 3,393 are not citizens, and 5,842 were already registered.

Of the remaining applications, 75 percent submitted erroneous Social Security information. Almost a quarter of those “sloppy forms” came from a registration effort by the New Georgia Project, a group founded in 2014 by Stacey Abrams, the Democratic nominee for governor.

https://www.heritage.org/election-i...ts-even-though-many-the-media-claim-it-doesnt

 

Says someone who never had to stand in line for 8 hours.