Why are the Democrats opposed to the Bidens testifying?

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  1. hellofromwarsaw

    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    the Democrats are against it because it is stupid and irrelevant to the case and there's never been any evidence the bidens did anything wrong. Just garbage innuendo propaganda, never a retraction.
     
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    Lol...Question asked and answered.
    We all know it's just a desperate attempt to distract from trump's criminal actions during his trial.
    If they want to honestly investigate the Bidens for legitimate reasons, let them start a legal investigation.
     
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    I don't care if Biden testifies or not. But I can't think of a better argument for him not to be subpoenaed than to not be relevant to the case. It's the same reason why they don't call me... or you... to testify.

    So, according to you, they are the victims, but have nothing to contribute. I don't disagree.

    What difference does it make to establish Trump's guilt if their activities were up and up or not?
     
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    Cuz everyone knows how much Hunter pocketed. No one has talked about the $900K Burisma gave QuidProJoe.
     
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    EyesWideOpen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's how you guys roll, you pretend Trump has not done anything to punish Russians who meddle in our elections. Then when we give you a link to it, you pretend it didn't happen. That is TDS, a purposefully mindset to hate Trump and ignore all else.

    Trump placed sanctions on the Internet Research Agency, which was the Russian troll farm that made social media posts on American Facebook, and other social media platforms like Google, during the 2016 presidential election. Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin in particular, a financial backer to the Internet Research Agency, with deep ties to Putin, was also included in those sanctions. But whatever, I'm sure you an your ilk will continue your purposeful ignorance, if it preserves your TDS.
     
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    I agree if the Bidens are dirty then trump absolutely should have investigated their activities

    BUT that is NOT what trump did

    Trump only ask for an "announcement" of an investigation

    and if Biden is guilty of withholding aid then so is trump

    after all they both did the same thing

    face it

    trump could shoot someone walking down 5th avenue and not lose support

    and if the person did not die and was wounded

    would trump then be acquitted of attempted murder??

    this is why trumpeters seem to be in a cult
     
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    Why are the Democrats opposed to the Bidens testifying?

    Because they’re afraid the Impeachment testimonies from the Bidens will completely differ from the evidence about to be released from the Durham criminal investigation. And contrary to behavior by the previous administration committing perjury is illegal.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    And yet most Republican voters believe there is nothing to the Russian thing at all. They only wrecked the election with stupid emails blown out of all proportion by the GOP propaganda machine and debated about endlessly on corporate media
     
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    Biden was clearly involved in corruption, and Trump was trying to get to the bottom of it.

    Dishonest people try to equate the two, but that is intellectually dishonest and absurd.

    I'm not a Republican, and to point out that the Democratic Party has morphed into nothing more than an organized crime organization does not make me one.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    Clearly corrupt my butt. there is absolutely no evidence that either Biden is corrupt. Yes yes we are shocked the son of a vice president got a good job. What a joke. Especially from the party of pure swamp.
     
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    It proves you are a victim of the GOP propaganda machine when there has been absolutely no evidence of democratic crimes except total bologna never retracted have never gone anywhere in the real world. Unbelievable -poor America.
     
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    Trump's belief there was corruption or even the probable cause of is material to the impeachment, it is what it is based on. It's Hunter who needs to testify, if that leads to his father so be it, oh well. They are not immune from investigation because Joe is running for office, Just ask Trump about that, there was no complaints when the Democrats got him investigated by the FBI.
     
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    wow the brainwashed mind of a trumperter

    if trump believed that Biden was crooked then why not instruct Bill Barr to investigate??

    instead, he asked a foreign government to announce an investigation

    I will type it again ..

    trump asked for an announcement. not an investigation

    then withheld aid

    he got caught and released the aid ...he aborted his mission!!

    and these words are NOT propaganda they are just what happened

    and trump himself has admitted it on FOX NEWS

    trump has said on television that China should open an investigation on Biden

    he publically invited another country to interfere and investigate his opponent

    do a search you can see it for yourself unless you are handicapped and cannot see or hear

    I am not a Liberal and I donated money to beat Obuma

    but I know a scumbag when I see one and trump is a scumbag

    I have seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears the actions of trump

    trump is a disgusting human being and has brainwashed millions of americans

    KINDA SAD
     
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    He asked for the cooperation in that investigation as required by treaty between us, we can't investigate it without that cooperation. You may think he's a scumbag, I can't stand him either, but that's not what this is about. He had a right and a duty to seek investigation into this matter and we STILL need to get that done.
     
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    Yup. If you actually read up on Russian election interference it was minor. Besides the DNC and Podesta, supposedly falling for a phishing scam and both giving away their email logins. The Russians paid for something like $50,000 in Facebook ads during the campaign, and $4,700 on all Google platforms. It was very minor when compared with the hundreds of millions the Hilary campaign paid for the same types of ads.
     
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    Democrats said the only reason not to testify was to hide guilt. In fact many many here claimed that. Trump resisting testimony proved he was guilty..
     
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    They don't give a damn about sanctions obviously.
     
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    The Russians spent a heck of a lot more than $50,000 on ads yeah, but the real damage was done by them hacking the DNC and podesta servers and spreading that whole email garbage propaganda all over American Media. 60% of political coverage was about Hillary's emails for crying out loud absolutely ridiculous.
     
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    Feel free to launch an investigation through official channels
     
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    agreed , he had a right and duty to investigate the corruption...

    BUT ,

    that is NOT what he did ...again... I will say this one more time

    he only requested an announcement of an investigation

    he did not seek a legitimate investigation ..

    and then he broke the law withholding the aid

    he created more corruption himself …

    it does not matter who is president I will be fine

    I just wish for a NON crazy person to represent the country and office

    mickey mouse will be fine with me ….he could do a better job than trump

    and not spend 13 million playing golf
     
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    And that's just a red herring excuse "It's a distraction to shift attention away from Trump's criminal activities". You HAVE the Trial. Where's the distraction? How does Witness A possibly distract from the Court? It doesn't. And the Witnesses here, would testify for the record what their activities were in Ukraine, and to the extent they were legal. It has the bonus benefit of removing all doubt, while establishing doubt that Trump was seeking a national interest.

    These witnesses are perfectly germane to the question at hand, the democrats for whatever reason just don't want them on the stand. All the more reason they should be on the stand. Same for Pompeo, Mulaveney, etc.
     
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    The Russians did not really spend that much money. They spent money on ads in 2015, and even after the election. All told, they spent about $50,000 in calendar year 2016.

    Facebook Acknowledges Russian Ads In 2016 Election

    Facebook's chief security officer, Alex Stamos, wrote in a blog post on Wednesday that the ads cost about $100,000. He said they were connected to about 470 "inauthentic" Facebook pages and accounts, which seemed to be affiliated and "likely operated out of Russia."

    The ads appeared over two years starting in June 2015, the same month Donald Trump announced his candidacy, Stamos said, and fell into two categories.
     
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    The dems have been assuming Trump's only motivation to "look into" Biden publicly bragging about his firing of Shokin, was so he might be able to "dig up dirt" on Joe Biden.

    The dems have forced Trump to justify why he sought to look into the firing. So.... Trump will just have to show all the shady million dollar deals that involved that no talent Hunter and his daddy Joe.
     
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    It's honestly the weirdest excuse I've ever heard: "This guy has information that could possibly implicate Trump, but uh no, we don't want him to testify on what he did because it could be a 'distraction". This isn't some sports team, it's a freaking trial. The trial can't detract from itself.

    And as an aside, it will be Justice Roberts who will determine whether or not a question is germane to the trial.
     
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    I also never understood what kind of political campaign dirt people thought Trump was expecting Zelensky to provide him with? Proof of criminal activity and corruption is not what I'd call dirt. And wouldn't it be silly to be against an investigation to uncover corruption or criminal activity?

    Besides, Trump asked Zelensky to get with AG Barr, to assist him in looking into the Biden's connection with the firing of Shokin, and Barr has stated he has not started any steps toward investigating that. So even if Zelensky did approach Barr, he would have found out that there is no investigation going on.
     
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