Why are there so few Asian Supremacists?

Actually, your replies seem to reinforce or strengthen my points.

It is precisely because so many Japanese felt superior to Chinese that they have always believed they do not need to be accountable for the depredations they imposed on other Asians and on the USA. This is why they refused to apologize for their war crimes and refuse to include such facts in their school books.

Ditto for the caste system - a racialist, elitist form of discrimination that surpasses in some respects the racist, elitism that we have in the USA. Also note that Asian societies have far more cultural diversity that we Westerners may be aware of. That, in fact, Papua New Guinea and Indonesia are among the most diverse nations in the world.


You may not see it that way but I do and your replies help illustrate my points. But if you insist that it doesn't, then so be it.

 

Over 300,000 dead with many more wounded merits far more attention than a mere footnote in a history book. In fact, this number surpasses that amount of military casualties in the Vietnam war.

 

So why is that? Not much democracy, not much human rights, look at China, what a mess. Yet they're very bright.

ETA reply to jay runner

 

But if you live in The Philippines eating out of garbage dumps why does being Asian make you superior mentally to someone living in Africa or Europe? The economic and academic success of Asians is the basis for the claim that they are mentally superior. So how do we explain poor countries like The Philippines? There are many countries in Southeast Asia that are much poorer than Korea, China and Japan.

Why are all Asians mentally superior?

I would like to see some evidence beyond what is in their texbooks that they actually do feel superior.

The Hindu Caste System doesn't have anything on racism in the United States which includes slavery, terrorism, lynching and hate groups such as the KKK and Neo-Nazis in addition to modern racial bias in the criminal justice system and police brutality. There is no comparison.

But even acknowledging the racism or colorism in the Hindu caste system that still has no relevance to East Asians and does nothing to refute my point that the racist subculture in America and Western countries that promotes White Supremacy in rooted in a cultural tradition of racism that is far more embedded in our society than racism in Asia.

Also yes Indonesia is far more diverse than Japan and they don't have a supremacist culture on the level of White Supremacy in America so that actually supports my point.

I acknowledge racism exists in other parts of the world including Asia, India, The Middle East and Africa so it is a moot point. However while you can point to textbooks not acknowledging atrocities of the past I can show that modern racism in Asia is simply not as prominent as White Supremacy in America. Japan doesn't have anything like White Nationalism or the Ku Klux Klan and the various White Supremacist organizations that exist. They don't have hate groups like we have here. Their racist rhetoric is not influencing prominent figures including our own President.

Does racism in Japan exist? Yes. You might even find some Japanese Nationalist organizations preaching hatred against the foreign devil or declaring the Japanese to be racially superior. You might find them in China, South Korea and several other Asian nations as well. But they are not as prominent and vocal as White Supremacists. In America we have a subculture of racism that has plagued our society for centuries from slavery, to eugenics to segregation to White Nationalism. In the modern world Western countries are simply much more racist on average than Asian countries.

I also think attempts to Westernize influenced some of the racist sentiment in Asian countries during the 20th century. Eastern philosophy is not full of supremacist undertones like the incredibly competitive West where various forms of bigotry persisted for centuries. They need for comparison and emphasis on the importance of differences is the root of bigotry in Western society.

 

The 300,000 figure is from a Guardian correspondent at the time who referred to the much larger number of civilian deaths throughout the Yangtze valley, rather than the death total for Nanjing alone. Timperley wrote that "close to 40,000 unarmed persons were killed within and near the walls of Nanjing, of whom some 30% had never been soldiers." This is what actually happened.

 

There have always been disputed numbers in every war that I have ever read of.

 

How many non-Chinese in China? Non-Japanese in Japan? Non Korean in Korea?

Mmmm.

 

Asians have experienced Western Imperialism and wars with Western countries. Like Blacks if they have racist feelings for anyone you could argue that they have good reason to hate White people. The hatred does exist for individual Asians on some level but there isn't a subculture of Asian Supremacy on the level of White Supremacy and Asians generally are not invested in promoting Scientific Racism even though the research puts them at the top of the racial hierarchy. Why is this?

The logical conclusion is that Asians simply don't have the culture of racism that Whites have which shows the powerful influence culture has on the mind. In the Western world, especially America, racism persists because it is ingrained in our culture so much so that there is a subculture of White Supremacy. As I said in a previous post historical interactions with other populations supports my point. That is part of the reason for the racist culture. But for those who say that Scientific Racism or "Race-Realism" is simply objective reasoned science, why don't Asians use it? Why does it seem that White Supremacists are so obsessed with it even though they are not even at the top of the hierarchy?

The reason is culture.

 

World Values Survey:



There isn't much of a subculture of white supremacy outside of certain fringe groups.

 

I question the reliability of that survey. I do agree that the subculture of White Supremacy is fringe however it is more prominent and vocal than hate groups from other countries. Then again I'm not familiar with racial conflicts in every country. Is there an equivalent to White Nationalists and the KKK in India, China or Saudi Arabia? No doubt racism exists all over the world but as a cultural phenomenon I think White Supremacists have a greater tradition of promoting racism.

 

You clearly have never been around Asians if you think this is the case. This is a laughable opinion based thread presented as fact.

 

Are you trying to say that Asians are generally racist? What is your level of social interaction with them? As an American I am not surrounded by Asians and usually don't see them unless I go to Asian stores or restaurants. However I had a few Asian friends in grade school and college as well as some in my Martial Arts classes. From my observation they are just ordinary people with their own unique cultures and customs. I have never met a racist Asian. I know they exist. I have even encountered a few on the internet.

Like I said before where is the Asian equivalent of Stormfront? Where is the Asian KKK? They simply don't have a subculture of racism on the level of White Supremacy. I'm not talking about Asian parents not wanting their children to date interracially or prefer to socialize among themselves.

I'm talking about THIS:





Where is the Asian equivalent of THAT? Where are the Asian hate groups and Asian Supremacist protests? When talking about Asian Supremacy people have to refer to Imperial Japan during World War II or racist attitudes being held by some individuals. I am talking about in your face overt racism.

 

Im gonna take it you've never been to a nail salon. Asians have cut out a niche for themselves in America, but generally treat customers with cool disdain... including talking to co-workers about customers in their native language, tuning their in-shop music into Asian stations, and treating customers with attention thats borderline condescending. Most Asians in America exhibit a kind of arrogance that would be called racism in whites. While we accept it, saying it doesn't exist is rather naive. It just doesn't look the same.

BTW, how do you know there's no Asian equivalent to Stormfront?

 

I've never had my nails done so no. If you have I can not speak to your experiences but I have never had problems with Asians in their stores. They were always polite and courteous. As for your description there seem to be a lot of racial stereotypes here. If they treat customers with disdain that is not good but I doubt this is universal. There is nothing wrong with them tuning music to Asian stations. That's their store they can play any music they want. I have heard that bilingual people in general have a tendency to talk to their friends, family and co-workers in their native language and the eye contact and laughter indicates to some people that they are bad mouthing them. Maybe they are. I'm sure in some cases they are. But if you don't speak the language how do you know?

As for Asians having racist attitudes again I am not saying that Asians are saints and none of them are racist. I have no doubt that some are just as some Whites are as are Blacks, Hispanics, Middle Easterners Indians, Polynesians and all groups on this Earth. But what I am talking about is activism. I can say that in my life as a Black man in America most White people have never been racist to me. In fact most of them were nice. Some of them were racist. When I see organized racism from Whites such as the Unite the Right Rally, Klan marches and Neo-Nazi skinheads running their mouth spouting hatred on talk shows or the various racist arguments made by people in internet videos I see that as a culture of White Supremacy that I don't see in Asians.

How do I know there is no Asian equivalent of Stormfront? I looked for it and didn't find it. Can you find one? In fact can you find 5 Youtube videos where Asian people use Scientific Racism to promote Asian Supremacy? Based on my observation Scientific Racism is a "White Supremacist thing." They own that topic. If you look at the history of Scientific Racism it was developed by White Supremacists. Sure some Asians adopted it and some Blacks have their own version of theories of racial inferiority of Whites. However I mostly see White Supremacists putting real effort in to claiming their race is superior. Where is the Asian equivalent of Jared Taylor or David Duke? If I saw a Youtube video of an Asian man in a suit putting solid effort year after year in to claiming that Whites and other groups were mentally inferior I wouldn't make this argument. I would say that Asians have the same culture of racism as everyone else. They don't. Some Asians are racist and there are racist attitudes in all groups on some level but the culture of racist activism simply isn't there.

 

Zaitokukai is the Asian equivalent of the English Defence League (EDL) or KKK. It has been described as a potential threat to public order due to its "extreme nationalist and xenophobic" ideology. The imperial flag pictured below is the Japanese equivalent to the Confederate flag, which South Korea wants to be banned from the Tokyo Olympics. My conclusion is that we are all racist to some extent and we cannot blame whites for being racist without looking into your own backyard.

 

I agree there is very little Asian activism... in the US. There is also very little Hispanic or African activism. In my opinion, activism has little to do with racism. People turn activist for a lot of different reasons, but mostly when they feel they're being treated unfairly. Which is probably why most activists in America are American born. Foreign transplants are, for the most part, just glad to be here.

All races have preconceived ideas about other races. Doesn't mean they're racists.

Remember taking a walk in my neighborhood one evening and rounding corner where several black firefighters shared a house. They were sitting in the garage, drinking beer with friends and as we got closer, heard them referring to 'whitey'. As soon as they saw us, you could tell they were embarrassed. We all exchanged waves and went on our way, but for a few seconds, it was awkward.

Very few people are actually color blind. Very few people are also racist. Just my opinion.

 

I'm going to venture a guess that perhaps Asian people, in general, are smarter than white folks, in general. Racism is a failure of intellect and a dead-on sign of stupidity so it's absence can reasonably be assumed to mean those traits are not present.

But then again, we don't really know how many Asian people may have racist thoughts. The number could be as high as white people but Asian folks may just not be as vocal about it. It may also be something more prevalent in Asian countries where the proportion of Asians as a total of the population is higher.

 

Asian 'racism' tends to focus on other Asians. Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese hating each other is far more common than any of them hating whites, blacks, jews, etc.

 

Thanks for this. I was aware that Japanese Nationalists who discriminate against ethnic Koreans in Japan exist but didn't know the actual name. I knew that hate groups in Asia exist just as gangs in Asia exist but question how much of a following they have and how vocal they are.

Racist activism does exist and there is no excuse for it. During the 20th century White Supremacists held lynching parties murdering thousands of Blacks and the KKK engaged in terrorist activity including burning churches, planting bombs and dragging people out of their houses and murdering them. Racism is evil and if left unchecked it becomes a major problem. The Holocaust is a prime example.

Most people are not racist but a lot of racist stereotypes exist. Some people who are racist are not activists and not vocal but do have racist attitudes. Your next door neighbor might not want you to date their daughter but they are not going to go to a White Nationalist rally or call a Black person the N-word to their face. That's what I'm talking about when I speak of activism and overt racism. I don't see that from Asians. The Chinese workers at Hibachi Express might be talking all kinds of trash about me in their native language but I've never seen Asians marching the streets in America with torches calling for the death of Jews and Blacks or any other groups.

Of course I am not saying on Whites can be racist. There are Black Supremacist groups as well as Hispanic groups that are racist in America. Every group has its racists and most have hate groups but White Supremacists seem to be the most common and the most vocal.

Yes, that is true. That is ethnic discrimination. Racism is a complex concept as many groups have been consider races including ethnic groups, nationalities, religions, linguistic groups and populations. People often refer to discrimination against Hispanics as racism when Hispanic is a linguistic term for people from a Spanish speaking country. Jews have been considered a race especially thanks to Nazi propaganda but a Jew is a practitioner of Judaism. There was discrimination in the United States by White Anglo-Saxons against Irish and Italians who were even referred to as different races. So Asians discriminating against Asian ethnic groups can be considered racist. I believe Japanese during World War II even referred to the Japanese race. There is a lot of ethnic discrimination in Africa. The Rwandan genocide was considered a racial conflict even though the Hutus and Tutsis are Black ethnic groups.

Race isn't considered by many modern scientists to have biological meaning even though there are recognized differences between populations. For the purpose of this thread I will accept conflicts such as Japanese discriminating against Koreans as an example of racism.

 

IMO its no more or less 'racist' than whites hating blacks. What you speak of is precisely why I try to hyphenate 'race' as much as I can when referring to disagreement between humans.

Personally I think the vast majority of it is cultural bias. The example I like to use is urban vs rural in the US. For example, if a black man walked into a redneck bar wearing cowboy boots and flannel, ordered a double shot of whiskey, put some classical rock on the juke box and started bragging about the 6 point buck he just bagged with his 30-06, he'd likely have a bar full of white redneck friends in no time. Contrasted with a white man walking into that same bar sagging his pants, tossing out gang signs and trying to play Tupac on the jukebox would be met with suspicion, annoyance and possibly hostility. This is because the bar patrons are judging based on culture rather than skin color or 'race.'

 

Ugh. What says 'danger: beware!' to me here is not the flags, armor, weapons, symbolism or ethnic homogeny, but the khakis+polos. I avoid contact with people wearing khaki+polo at all costs.

 

We're not living in the 20th century and white supremacy is part of the lunatic fringe, not mainstream America. Black supremacy, on the other hand, is alive & well. (Joking, don't have a cow. My boss lady is black)

All races should be able to believe their race is the best. Acceptance of our differences is what makes for a peaceful existence. Denying there is a difference is what causes racial unrest.

There are only THREE true races and we all fit in one of those. Lots of geographical bigots around. I consider them closet racists. (Ie, hates Southerners)

 

How the Black man is treated in the redneck bar depends on how the rednecks feel about Blacks. White people called "rednecks" are stereotyped as being racist. If they are not racist the Black man ought to make friends. But if they are it won't matter what his interests are. Racists don't care about culture. They hate people who are different from them no matter how they behave. Look at all of the hate Obama got when he ran for and became President.

What differences are you claiming exist? No one cares if you point out that people have differences in skin color and no one denies it. When you start talking about mental differences in intelligence and personality you are promoting Scientific Racism and people will always object to that. Cultural differences between people are not denied. The real source of racism is the mind of the bigot who decides to be racist and makes excuses for why they are racist.

 

Not necessarily. They might not like the way he acts, regardless of his skin.

There's a plethora of reasons any person would be disliked in a bar, including but not limited to a black man in a white bar.

Agreed.

Promising radical social change can illicit hate from even the most tolerant of people. So can calling folks 'bitter clingers' for defending their constitutional rights. So can lying about Obamacare.

I've no doubt some racists hated Obama because 'blacks shouldn't be president.' I seriously doubt they were anywhere near a majority of Obama's haters.

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Yes, I'm saying there are marked differences between races. I don't base my opinions on scientific research, but rather my own experiences living in an urban environment where white people are now a minority. We all get along fine, but we're NOT just alike. As a rule (meaning MOST) .. people mainly stick with their own kind. We work together and share restaurants & movies & hotels & grocery stores, etc. But when it comes to many things like churches & beauty/barber shops & social clubs and even funeral homes... There are black churches & white churches & brown churches... etc.

Differences in personalities? Absolutely. After all, we're different races.