Why are we regulating women, not men?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by MJ Davies, Sep 3, 2021.

  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    With respect, Rittz ... this is entirely subjective.

    Both for and against are philosophical/moral positions. Neither is correct. Pro-choicers are just as driven by 'sheer emotion' as anti-abortionists are.
     
  2. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't matter if the site is a crank site. The question (concept) is still the same no matter who is writing about it. And, it's impossible to move toward understanding and compromise when we outright refuse to consider the other person's opinions even if we don't like it.

    So, instead of focusing on WHO wrote this or WHY they wrote it, can we talk about the CONCEPTS of social and religious dogma (which should be separate from "the state" anyway) that makes the position of pro-life a matter that anyone outside the person who is carrying that fetus has the right to make the choices about her life?

    We can't simply say "Leave my rights alone, but I want to infringe on your rights."

    Comparatively, if we look at the situation in Afghanistan, this is the EXACT same argument.

    MY WAY IS BETTER AND I WILL DEMAND THAT YOU CONFORM TO MY CHOICES ABOUT WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR LIFE and BODY (or YOUR RELIGION AND COUNTRY).

    That's why it failed.
     
  3. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    I started typing a response to @Matthewthf and got a call but it was basically this.

    Why do YOU get to have ALL your rights without government interference but want to dictate that another person with the same rights as an American should not retain ALL theirs?

    That's the only question here and it almost always lands on wanting to apply their "overlay" onto someone else's life.
     
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  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since you did not read my post, you tell us how long it takes a woman to realize she got raped.
     
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    Read about the law in regards to the types of accepted evidence as well as the statutes of limitations on such types of claims.
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you know but refuse to disclose the law.
     
  7. Ritter

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    I think it was Kaitlin Bennett or maybe some of the other cringe Conservative with a mic out on the streets to "dEsTrOy tHe LefT" who kept using this utterly idiotic "you call it a fetus, but a fetus of wh
    Cringe.
     
  8. Matthewthf

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    Unless she is drugged she would know and it's not hard to take a pregnancy test a week after she was raped. Even if she was drugged she should still know after it happened.
     
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    Why are you always bringing up rape ????
     
  10. drluggit

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    The entire premise of your thread is BS. The assumption by the opinion posted within comes from a view that demands that women never actually be accountable for their actions, or their own behavior. As a legal standard, wouldn't you then say that women are demanding extra legal exemptions from the law?
     
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    Oh, look , isn't this cute ? The male experts expounding on what it is to be raped...

    How misogynistic to presume you know what it's like to be raped.

    How disrespectful of women (as if that's a surprise)....

    Funny how all Anti-Choicers believe women are not harmed in being raped....and when the gentle kind rapist is finished all the woman has to do is pull her pants up and go for coffee because afterall, according to Anti=Choicers, nothing much happened at all...


    How deplorable...the sickness of misogyny
     
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    LOL... the bogus logic circle again. No one "consents" to pregnancy, do they. In fact, they knowingly engage in sex, consensually with a probability of becoming impregnated depending on the level of effort performed to mitigate it.

    Let me flip your logic for you. Folks get a vaccination on the premise it will protect them from the target of the vaccine. So, folks then don't consent to becoming infected, do they?
     
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    Folks consent to the possibility of pregnancy upon having sex - but it matters not .. as consent to pregnancy is not consent to carrying the pregnancy to term .. not consent to "a baby" :)
     
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    The right of bodily autonomy is NOT "extra legal exemptions".
     
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    The difference, under the law, is that there isn't a concept of "consent" for being pregnant. It isn't a real legal standard. And yet you discuss it as if it were. The law is shaping what reasonable outcome can be though. you should pay attention to it.
     
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    You theory is noted. Now explain why mandatory vaccinations is something you support.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    The right of bodily autonomy is NOT "extra legal exemptions".

    I don't :) so now you'll have to maybe address the post of mine you quoted ....or DODGE it AGAIN...:)
     
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    Bodily autonomy isn't legally the standard used in abortion. Try harder.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    The right of bodily autonomy is NOT "extra legal exemptions".


    I don't :) so now you'll have to maybe address the post of mine you quoted ....or DODGE it AGAIN...:)


    :) Got the next dodge...
     
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    Demonstrate the concept in the law. When you can't will you promise to go away?
     
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    I am sorry that you don't understand the right of bodily autonomy but want to deny it to women anyway...
     
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    Thinking you are confusing me for someone else -
     
  23. drluggit

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    Show a source in the law for your contention. You assert it absent substantive basis. You can't demonstrate it and yet you'd still argue it exists. It's like saying the sky is green.
     
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    OK, so bodily autonomy doesn't exist...so if a richer more powerful person needs a new heart or a blood transfusion they will just take yours...right? OK with you? Afterall , if the right to bodily autonomy doesn't exist you can't protest :)
     
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    Please identify a right that pertains to this discussion that I have that I'm proposing that someone should not have.
     

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