Why Are You Against Same Sex Marriage?

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by learis, Oct 13, 2015.

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Why Are You Against SSM

  1. Your Religion Says It's Wrong

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    19.2%
  2. Same Sex Couples Are Incapable of Genuinely Loving Each Other

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    7.7%
  3. Allowing SSM Will Lead to Allowing Beastiality, Polygamy, Incest, etc.

    2 vote(s)
    7.7%
  4. Other

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    65.4%
  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I think you have a point there, "confusing children" means going against certain people's beliefs.

    I agree with you I hope so that orientation has no relevance in the next few years as well we're getting there. Things have changed so fast.
     
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    I agree that things are better now. I’d rather be seen as normal than special. Still enjoy a good gay bar all the same. Tends to be a bigger concentration of my interests when I want to go out.

    The feeling that one’s ideals are archaic or wrong can be a worrying thought for sure. You may be right. I can only speak of my own experience of past homophobia, or aversion if one prefers. Definitely an avoidance of who I was. Not that I think that’s likely for most. Any reasons I could suggest are merely speculation.
     
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    I just remembered talking to a few Gen-X gay guys and how they talked about the little underworld they were part of I think most of it is nostalgia because honestly these people live in a community that's not mostly gay, and they have a relatively normal life within that community. You're not seen as weird or perverted. So I think in truth there really happier there but I can understand the nostalgia. I'm too young to have ever experienced that so I don't know anything about it.
    I understand what you're saying I've been there too. And it was hard to accept within myself. so I understand other people who aren't dealing with this on a personal level having a hard time.

    It's so often I find that people on the other side of the argument think that I just always was a rainbow flag waving supporter of LGBT rights. That's not the case at all I used to make the exact same arguments.

    It's a humbling process, and people that have been through that I think I understand it a lot better than your average person.

    Nobody wants to be wrong, but knowing when you are is of huge value in the pursuit of wisdom. I've been wrong a lot in my life, which is why I'm opening and I want to talk to people that disagree with me. I want to hear what they have to say. There was a time when that bothered me.
     
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    Otherwise you are claiming that "A = B"... That is not logical, per the proof of identity. A is not B.

    Now it says that B = A... However, per the proof of identity, B is not identical to A.

    Moral standards are unrelated to defining marriage. You have gone off on a tangent at this point.
     
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    It is true, by definition.

    It isn't regardless of what you say.

    No, you're just playing semantic games depending on what point of view is being discussed. If a child is born from one set of parents, and then adopted into another set of "parents", then the child has already been taken away from their parents... ie, the child is already not being raised by their parents.
     
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    SCOTUS does not define words. SCOTUS is not an Oligarchy.
     
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    A = B is perfectly logical in Algebra. All a matter of how you look at things.
     
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    Do you believe that parents that would put their child up for adoption would end up being better parents than a same sex couple, that is married and wants to provide for that child? Maybe love and the ability to care for a child weighs more heavily on outcome than blood relation.
     
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    SCOTUS is capable of ruling on the constitutionality of laws. Laws that banned SSM were deemed out of line with the constitution and therefore abolished. They didn’t redefine any words. They just decided the legal definition of the word at the time was not constitutional.
     
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    Off topic, but this is precisely why I absolutely REFUSE to refer to 'illegal aliens' as "undocumented immigrants".

    [1] The person in question is illegally stepping foot into this country, they are NOT simply "lacking documentation".

    [2] The person in question is a foreigner, they have NOT immigrated in any way/shape/form.


    This is the power of language. It affects how people feel about particular things, it affects people's consciences...
     
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    Accurate. This is certainly off topic.
     
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    explain the fundamental difference between a and b and why it matters so much that it needs a different label?

    So what?

    A Nissan and a Mitsubishi aren't identical but we call them both cars.

    Explain why we're defining marriage or redefining it. I know you claim vet reproduction principle is purpose of it but don't necessarily agree you have to rationalize that claim.
     
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    Because they believe that same sex civil unions are immoral. States have that power, under Article VII, also mentioned in the 10th Amendment.

    See above.

    No, they were given that word, but they weren't okay with it. As to the last part, see above.
     
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    who is the arbiter of definitions?

    so go tell the Supreme Court that they got it wrong I'm sure they'll listen to you.

    I wish you luck.
    That's all you're doing with regard to the meaning of marriage.
    Not necessarily. If the parents died the child wasn't taken away.
     
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    Gay people were given civil unions even though states banned them from it?
    That makes zero sense.

    And the SCOTUS disagreed that states have that power.
     
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    Already addressed.
     
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    Laws are made to be changed. The culture changes them. There is always a Mommy and a Daddy in a true marriage. In Arizona, we have a "Covenant Marriage" which is legal and binding. It is between one man and one woman. It is recognized by the Church. Perhaps we'll have to run with that and stick with that name. Overtime, the single word of marriage can apply to a union of anything to anything. How's that?
     
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    They are a deviation from the norm. We recognize their right to deviate. They don't need to confuse Mommy and Daddy for the children.
     
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    And you know as well as I do that has been a major weapon of the leftist theology.
     
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    Everybody is in one way it another, why does this deviation need to be underscored?
    Again with this children confused idea, how are children being confused? What children?
     
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    If the religious right wants to abandon the word marriage for something that makes them feel superior, I won’t be the one to stop them. I’d be a hypocrit to stand in the way of “Covenant marriage” in the same way religious folks stood in the way of civil unions. Enjoy it.
     
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    Kids are smarter than you think. They can figure out Mommies and Daddies for themselves.
     
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    What, off topic posting?
     
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    Children are the result of the union between a man and a women. This modern culture is even confusing them about their own sex. It tells them "think long and hard about what sex you really want to be, ignore the obvious". Then it throws at them the idea of "you can have two mommy's or two daddy's. It is confusing to children.
     
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    Kids are more sensitive than you think. They feel the wounds from the deviated world and they act out in pain. Kids need the nurturing of Mommy and the strong guidance of a Daddy. You can deny that all you want. A effeminate man is no substitute for Mommy and a masculine woman no substitute for Daddy.
     

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