Why are you here?

a black one and one with a felony record-just like most murder victims have records too.

 

Agreed but you are talking about one specific use of guns, where as find the whole gun subject to be quite fascinating.

The idea of needing to own a gun to feel protected in ones own home and the idea of owning a gun being a sign of freedom is so different to the way we view guns and thats where the interest stems from.

 

Owning a firearm isn't extreme.

What's extreme is facing criminal charges for being forced to defend your own life. That's pure lunacy.

 

Have you ever awakened from a deep sleep to find an armed stranger entering your
room ?

Knowing well you are at a distinct disadvantage for various reasons ?
Injuries, a cast etc....

What could you do if you are unarmed ?
Not much.

The idea of not needing Arms is a fallacy you find the Police of places like NYC and Countries like U.K. advocating, where your safety rates third place in relation to concerns over people taking the Law into their own hands.

The Crown Officials care not if you die, as long as you are defenseless.

 

Sacrifice one so the herd can sleep. That's the unstated strategy.

 

agreed mate, but needing a gun to defend ones life is quite an extreme thing. I don't need a gun to defend my life because i don't live in a dangerous place.

I accept that there is a tiny chance that one day i may meet and armed criminal but the odds are so infinitesimally small that owning a gun "just in case" simply isn't relevant.....and that's without the fact that for us, a man who needs a gun to feel protected, is seen as being a bit weak and easily scared.

But, I'm not one of those people who think Americans should give up guns, If americans want to own guns then more power to you....own a bazooka if it makes you feel safe.

Vive la difference!

 

That's the thing, not many of us do die because not many of us have guns.

Do you live in a very dangerous place then? Is there a real chance for you that someone armed might break into your house?

When you leave america to go on holiday, do you feel less safe because you don't have a gun?

 

No, unless I go home.... then I have options.

 

A "dangerous place". I don't think anyone that gets clubbed to death in their own house with a crowbar thought "gee, I live in a dangerous place" right before they were killed. Do you?

I'm sure this woman felt perfectly safe right before she was beaten half to death:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-guilty-attempted-murder-prison-assault.html

I'm sure this family felt their money made them safe:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/burglar-stabbed-millionaire-couple-death-5319489

There are no "safe" places.

The people that are weak and easily scared are the ones who don't want to admit we live in a dangerous world, and refuse to take responsibility for the safety of their families.

Having a firearm isn't extreme.

Assuming you don't need one is.

 

If all gun owners had the training that you have, we would not be having this conversation. My view is that there should be background
checks, a waiting period, and some training before the gun is sold. Many years ago the Menendez brothers murdered their parents.
There was a two week wait before the hand guns could be purchased, so they bought shotguns which were readily available.
These boys were very skittish about committing this act, and a waiting period may have just been enough time for them to rethink
their decision. I was a part of their lives at the time.

 

I am here to do battle against the LEFT which I feel is the absolute greatest threat to my freedom and prosperity..

 

Yeah people that plan on killing their parents are dissuaded by a few days.

That's why when they killed them they first blew off their kneecaps, then proceeded to shoot the mother in the face with a 12 gauge completely destroying her face.

Then for giggles they shot them a few more times after they were dead.

A waiting period and a background check would have prevented all that, it happens all the time in California.

 

Pray tell what is physically preventing where you currently reside from becoming a dangerous place?

If such is the case, then why does your country have such strict restrictions on firearms? Why are they even necessary?

Meaning presentation is regarded as more valuable than substance.

 

Which ultimately means what?

What are the qualifiers that make a location amount to a dangerous place? How many murders? How much criminal activity?

Irrelevant. Feeling safe is not the same thing as being safe.

 

Ultimately for what purpose? Would any of the above serve to physically prevent someone from acquiring a firearm, for the explicit purpose of murdering another?

How much time had they spent deciding that murdering their parents was ultimately the most correct course of action to engage in? How long had they been planning to do such?

Once someone concludes that murder is right, no amount of waiting time is going to dissuade them from their decision.

 

No you're not. Be honest

 

My environment growing up included having a police officer for a grandfather, who started what he called "gun-proofing" on me when I was 4 years of age. He put on a gun with his pants in the morning and it didn't come off his belt until he went to bed at night, and he did this for years after he retired from the force. We didn't live in a what many would call a "dangerous place"; he just had seen what happens to people who were targeted by criminals and who did not possess the means to defend themselves. Violent crime can come for anyone, anytime, anywhere. Look at the Petit family in Connecticut: safe suburb where people often left their doors unlocked... and two violent criminals passing through let themselves into the house, beat the husband unconscious and tied him up, forced the wife to take them to an ATM to clean out their accounts, then raped the wife and their two daughters for hours before murdering them by dousing them in gasoline and setting them on fire to destroy the evidence. No guns involved.

Yes, I grant you, the odds that you would ever need a gun to defend yourself from a violent criminal attack are pretty darn slim. If you look at the per-capita violent crime rate overall the United States is actually a relatively safe place; far safer than places like Australia or the UK (the US has a per-capita violent crime rate of something like 486 per 100,000 while the UK is up to over 2000 incidents per 100,000). BUT.... if you suddenly find yourself needing a weapon to defend yourself you need it RIGHT NOW, and rationalizations about "the odds are so infinitesimally small" become pretty empty. The safety of myself and those I love is too important to me to leave it up to chance. I've also found myself in that situation, hiking in the mountains, where I was confronted by a would-be robber who menaced me and the friend I was with using a large knife. The handgun I pointed at him caused the thug to turn and run like his backside was on fire.

The OP asked why we're here, engaging in discussions like this. I myself don't think gun control advocates are bad people; I just think they are misguided, or even ignorant of the realities of crime and violence, and I hope my knowledge and experience might help them change their viewpoints and stop working towards useless and counter-productive legislation that infringes upon the rights of their fellow citizens.

 

I'm here mostly to laugh at the absurdity of the freedom hating people that so fear inanimate objects they are willing to throw away Constitutional protections to feel better about themselves. Aside from that, it only makes sense to monitor just how out of touch some people are and just how far they are willing to go to infringe on my rights. If it ever looks that such movements were actually going to become a real threat to my freedoms I'd become very active in the real world to protect my rights...

 

I don't buy that for a second

 

You don't buy what? That I laugh at the gun grabber crowd? I do.

 

Oh I buy that. You are here because this is fun for you. Me too

 

It is my belief that one of the most effective ways to fight against the political left is to give them at least some credit.......
for their beliefs that may actually be significantly correct.......

For example...... I refuse to give zero credit to people who take climate change seriously..... I just toss an alternative theory at them that can turn out to be a major benefit for all eight million citizens of Israel.......


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rleans-and-florida-from-rising-oceans.300460/

The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!

 

some of the safest nations on Earth have strong gun laws

 

Good post..... Hitler had to largely disarm Germany in order to prevent incidents like the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising from killing one thousand percent more German soldiers than they were able to........
with so few guns.........

 

actually Hitler loosened gun laws for all citizens