Why Aren’t Women’s Groups Talking About Katie Hill’s Resignation?

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  1. SkullKrusher

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    Where are the Me3 way lawyers?
     
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    Yes, I am well aware she was having an affair with a member of her staff, which sadly for her, was an ethics violation. I am not saying what she did was right or wrong, just that it happened. Democrats, Independents and Republican's have affairs, in fact....those with no political affiliation have affairs. That's a fact.
     
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    The GOP and Fox were just accusing her of an "ethics violation". They were accusing her of rape. They claimed FOR WEEKS that she was forcing her staffers to sleep with her, and threating to fire them if they didn't. People on this very site have made threads pushing those falsehoods. And the reason she resign wasn't because of the affair itself coming out, but because the lies spread about her would have taken more effort to clear up than she was willing give.

    I find it halarious that the GOP and Fox ignore actual assaults by Congressmen all the time, but go out of their way to make **** up about their their opponents.

    I mean, the GOP fully supported Ray Moore, who was proven to have slept with AT LEAST one underage girl. And Fox went out of their way to avoid covering the story. They are happy to support a ****ing PEDOPHILE and CHILD MOLESTER.

    I am not saying that Katie Hill's affair was not a rules violation. It was. But I am referring to the fact that they go out of their way to turn it into something it was not. It goes well beyond rules when they publically accuse of blackmailing her staffers into sex on threats of firing them. To be honest, since it's proven to not be true, I wouldn't be surprised if Hill filed some slander lawsuits against a few GOP congressmen and pundits for pushing it.
     
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    Could you provide a link of FOX news in which they have been claiming FOR WEEKS that Hill raped her staff members and forced them to sleep with her. I had not heard anything about Hill until just recently. Perhaps I missed it...weeks ago.
     
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    Why not? It was wrong.
     
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    Why isn’t Katie Hill my next door neighbor who leaves her blinds open? Why indeed.....
     
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    My quote was "I am not saying what she did was right or wrong, just that it happened". In other words I am not judging her as much on her decision to go outside of her marriage for sex (or apparently involving another person IN her marriage for sex), but I do believe she broke the ethics rues she was well aware of when she took her job. What happened to her is totally on her, and no one else.
     
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    After Katie Hill, media grapples with possible onslaught of nude photos.

    Katie Hill may be the first millennial member of Congress whose career was upended after the publication of intimate and embarrassing photos, but she’s not likely to be the last.​

    “There is an entire generation of Americans who have been taking selfies and images of themselves in various contexts, whether at parties or in intimate relationships with consenting adults,” MSNBC host Chris Hayes said this week. “There’s going to be a generation of members of Congress and politicians where there are thousands of images just around.”​

    “Note the narrative being spun around Hill’s ignominious fall from grace: She’s resigning over something she claims she didn’t do, because everybody saw her naked. She’s innocent, so she’s fighting back by running away. She’s a strong, independent woman, which is why she’s a helpless victim of the patriarchy. Don’t have sex with people who work for you and you won’t have to leave Congress. Seems pretty simple.”​

    Katie Hill’s Defenders Have It Wrong: Male Politicians’ Extramarital Affairs Have Repeatedly Cost Them Their Jobs.
     
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    At the time that you posted this post, you seemed to be unaware of House Rule XXIII, Clause 18(a) (below.) Perhaps you discovered after posting.

    "18. (a) A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner may not engage in a sexual relationship with any employee of the House who works under the supervision of the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner, or who is an employee of a committee on which the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner serves. This paragraph does not apply with respect to any relationship between two people who are married to each other. https://ethics.house.gov/publication/code-official-conduct"
     
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    So you don't think it was mainly to do with her rule violation?
     
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    Trump's past behaviour is disgraceful, but what subordinate has he had sex with since being in office? I'll be STUNNED if I hear back from you! :roflol:
     
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    Come on - Trump's past behaviour is obviously worse than what Hill has done. The difference is that he didn't have sex with a subordinate while in office,
    therefore people in all seriousness can't use him to play down the Katie Hill scandal, in a DESPERATE case of whataboutism. That just REEKS of desperation! :roflol:
     
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    Looks like someone still thinks that the Steele dossier is credible! :roflol:
     
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    Why do you say that she forced the subordinate to sleep with her?
     
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    You'd have to ask the ethics committee for a proper answer, but don't you see an issue with the person being a subordinate?
     
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    Thanks, I have heard since then that there are actual rules against such fraternization but I don't think anyone pointed out the specific rule.
     
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    What's interesting is that it didn't exist in the House rules of the 114th Congress, but it does now in the 116th Congress. However, one dude got punished back in the 80's for having a sexual relationship with a House page. Very odd.
     
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    Yeah, that was this creep who turned his back on those calling for his punishment, as if they were the bad guys that he was schtupping the help
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds
     
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    Do you know if he was punished based on a House rule?
     
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    Censure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censure_in_the_United_States
    More specifically:
    "
    House censures
    See also: List of United States Representatives expelled, censured, or reprimanded
    The House of Representatives is authorized to censure by the scope of United States Constitution (Article I, Section 5, clause 2).[28] In the House of Representatives, censure is essentially a form of public humiliation carried out on the House floor.[29] As the Speaker of the House reads out a resolution rebuking a member for a specified misconduct, that member must stand in the House well and listen to it.[30][31] This process has been described as a morality play in miniature.[32]

    In the history of the House, censure has been used 23 times, and most of the cases arose during the 19th century.[29][30] In the modern history of the United States House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct (since 1966), censure has been used five times.[29]"

    I think it is this "member must stand in the house" part: Studds turned his back to the person reads the statement as if they, not him, were wrong with finding something wrong with having sex with the staff. If I recall correctly, he sodomized a page who may not have been 18 after plying him with liquor. Reviewing. EDIT: The page was 17.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds#Career_in_the_United_States_Congress
     
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    Why pick on Hill, she just spent too much time reading,
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    It may be an issue, but not enough to justify nullifying an election.
     
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    Just face it, different standard for women. It's just how it is. I think you all should watch the south park episode where Ike (a kindergartner) had an affair with a hot teacher.
    When the boys report it to the cops, the cops are like "NICE!!"
     
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    What is nullifying an election?
     
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    The removal of an elected official from office by means other than an election.
    IMO, Hill betrayed her voters by resigning.
     
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