Why aren't 'religion' and 'sex' protected categories in Title VI?

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but "elsewhere" is irrelevant to federally funded programs.
     
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    Why? Hasn't he done some good things?
     
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    For some reason I thought that you were talking about same sex marriage, but you clearly weren't. I think that may be because of our ongoing discussion in the other thread.
     
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    You'll have to explain what you mean here.

    We know where Title VI applies. The source of funds doesn't override Title VI. If there is a federally funded program that is created and that conflicts with Title VI then there is a legal problem.
     
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    I made this thread after learning about Trump's executive order which extends Title VI to Jews for the purpose of anti-Semitic discrimination in colleges. Do you know anything about it?
     
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    He also defends white supremacists.

    His action is clearly political. He even has a self declared white supremacist in charge of our immigration system. He's the one whose behind our kidnapping of immigrant children, holding them at unknown sites and putting them up for adoption so that parents can NEVER find them again.

    There is no consisent pattern behind Trunp's action on discrination other than his analysis of personal political benefit. He doesn't care about African Americans at all, as they aren't ever going to vote for him. Christians like Jews, so it's fine if Israel does more ethnic cleansing in West Bank and he'll progtect them on campuses - when he won't protect others. And, his base loves him when he takes outragous and inhuman action against immigrants.

    There isn't anything deeper than that going on.
     
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    How?

    Who, Secretary of Homeland Security, Chad Wolf?

    Can you support this claim at all?

    So then what was the First Step Act all about?

    Outrageous and inhuman actions against immigrants, such as what? Described above which I've asked if you can support?
     
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    Obviously there isn't a federal document on this. However, the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville in 2017 included all manner of white supremacist hate groups - Nazis, etc.. It included a murder of someone who protested againt the rally. Trump's comments included that there were "fine people on both sides".

    Trump's immigration policy in which Hispanic children were kidnapped and moved to secret locations in a manner such that parents will never be able to find them. (The parents were deported without their children.) Immigration poilicy has the clear marks of Stephen Miller who is a "senior policy advisor to the president" with strong white supremacy connections and who has been especially active in immigration.
    Stephen Miller
    First Step is a prison reform act that you can read about at wiki. Both political parties have significant criticisms of the act.

    I think it's somewhat off topic as it has to do with prison reform.
     
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    I've always been confused about the Charlottesville rally. Is it a FACT that they were all white supremacists/Nazis? What about the people who were just there to protest the removal of statues?
     
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    The organizers stated goal was to unite the American whie nationalist movement. The marchers brough a wide variety of slogans, flags, etc., from groups of Nazis, Klansmen, etc. evoking our violent and racist past. They marched with guns prominently displayed. They marched while chanting racist slogns.

    This happened in the same place where self identified white supremaciss had raided a church, killing the pastor and a state representative and wounding several others.

    The idea that the march would be joined by "fine people" just isn't supportable. There ARE those who want to preserve statues of those emblematic of the civil war, where these lauded heroes fought for a continuation of slavery.

    But, this was a march organized by racists to energize radicals. Anyone who saw the march could not have mistaken it for a rational protest for preserving history.
     
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    Were these folks there to protest the removal of statues?
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    Well maybe, but it's clearly not ALL that they were there for. Anyway, I asked about the people who were there to JUST protest the removal of statues. What about them?
     
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    There was a church shooting in Charlottesville?
     
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    The person in charge of the immigration system is Secretary of Homeland Security, Chad Wolf.
     
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    I doubt protests ever draw people with exactly one purpose.

    The purpose of the event was to unite the various white supremaciest groups. And, that is how it was run - who put it on, who was chosen to speak, etc.

    Whether or not there was a fine upstanding citizen in the crowd is not the issue. The fact is that there is an active white supremacist movement in America. And, that is a serious problem.
     
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    Look it up.
     
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    I did. No church shooting in Charlottesville. So what the hell are you talking about?
     
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    I meant to say, I know about the Charleston shooting, but how the hell is Charleston Charlottesville? Just admit you screwed up.
     
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    Oh sure, I agree with that, but how does that mean that Trump was referring to white supremacists as "fine people?"
     
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    Yes, I missed that one. The fact that cases of crimes with clear racial or religious bias aren't local does make a difference as if it is local, more of the local citizens could be energized. But, the fact of the matter is that the number of terrorist type actions in the US has been coming from white supremacist type groups aimed at minorities - Jews, Blacks, Muslims, Hispanics.

    And, those white supremacist groups are VERY happy with Trump. In fact, the Republican party has not put any effort into pushing back against the administration's policy of kidnapping undocumented children and making it essentially impossible for their parents to EVERY find them again, and against conditions in holding facilities where kids sleep on concrete floors, don't get enough warm bedding, don't get soap, etc.
     
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    The point is that he failed to address the problem. Instead, he suggested there were "fine people" there.

    There are always "fine people" around. But, the problem was that there were skinheads, KKK, Nazis, and other various white supremacist groups represented.

    The stated reason for the event was to unite white supremacist groups.
     
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    Correct, and when it is BLACK people who are targeting JEWS, the media ignores it! :roflol:

    And yet you haven't been able to support your claim despite me asking you in post #32. http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ies-in-title-vi.566941/page-2#post-1071368533
     
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    Well as long as you're not saying that he was referring to the "skinheads, KKK, Nazis, and other various white supremacist groups", then I agree with you, The only genuine point of criticism of Trump in this case was that he, as you say, "failed to address the problem." He failed miserably at condemning the bad guys. He did of course eventually do what he should've done originally and very strongly condemned them, not that it was good enough for the useless, biased, majority left-wing media, who just said that he didn't mean a word of it.
     

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