Why Black people are afraid of ‘crazy’ White people

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    JAN 6..
     
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    Having a Black guy as president drove them nuts. Trump let them out of the closet..

    But you'll never get past the denial, it's where they live.

    They will likely come to dominate the country, and then things go to hell.
     
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    Well you didn't explain what my delusion was supposed to be. As for a Pulitzer...Walter Duranty got one too.
     
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    ^^^^^
    This.
     
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    So, how accurate was that prediction by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency?

    How many Blacks were actually killed by "crazy White people" on June 19?

    And...

    How many Blacks were killed by other Blacks on that same date?

    I doubt that those statistics are readily available but if we were to honestly to look at established and reliable numbers I think that we would both find that Blacks are far more likely to suffer at the hands of other Blacks than any other ethnic group.

    As the only White person to live in an inner-city, all Black neighborhood, I saw first hand how cruel and vicious Blacks could be to other Blacks.

    I don't doubt that vicious and racist White hate groups exist and pose a threat to all Americans but I think that they are less likely to prey on gullible Blacks than mansion dwelling BLM CEOs.
     
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    Its not just blacks for are afraid of deranged Trump apologists. Plenty of whites are afraid of them too after seeing Jan-6 violence and all the talk about civil war, guns and "watering the tree of liberty with blood" and "taking the country back".

    Yes. They bought the claim that white folks are the victim and need fight back. People become dangerous when they adopt that mindset. Fortunately their numbers are still small, but the RW MSM is working hard to increase their numbers.
     
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    Are you saying the Department of Defense should not have circulated the bulletin to police departments?
    You and a lot of old white guys dismiss Black concerns about white supremacists who march around with their ARs, acting like pretend soldiers ready for the race war. They and you do not respect the opinion of many people of another race...that's all there is to it. Then you turn, true to form, to a different subject and whatabout...
    Goodness! "As the only White person to live in an inner-city, all Black neighborhood" I'm happy you made it out alive.
     
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    No, I'm not saying that police departments shouldn't be made aware of threats to their communities as long as all threats are regarded equally.

    You don't seem to realize that Black militant groups like the NFAC, Black Panthers etc with their ARs and threatening rhetoric are every bit as corrosive to race relations as White militant groups.

    I don't think that the sentiments of these Black extremists are representative of the majority of Blacks any more than the antics of militant White extremists are representative of the views held by most Whites.

    Re:
    How do you know that I do not respect the opinions of other racial groups when you have yet to express an opinion for me to evaluate?
    That assumption and your snarky dismissal of the fact that I have lived, worked and shared with Black people all of my life are both indicative of an ugly and irrational hatred of all "old white guys" that is common among most Black racists.



    "Inside America's black militia group NFAC"
     
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    Black militias are not a nationwide trend like the 55% growth in white nationalist militias during the Trump administration. The Not ****ing Around Coalition is a single group lead by the unstable Grandmaster Jay who was just convicted of a federal crime and can no longer possess a firearm or use social media. NFAC is probably not long for this world and the Panthers are a joke; hardly the existential threat felt by Blacks with the rise of white supremacist groups and talk of a race war.
    Can you agree that Blacks have legitimate concerns about the rise of militias and white nationalism as a threat to their safety?
     
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    Haha .. LOL.
     
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    "Analysts say it's still unclear to what extent the pandemic might skew trends for the FBI's 2020 count. Michael Jensen, a senior researcher at the University of Maryland who led a new study on hate crime offenders, said data show that hate crimes typically cluster around "big political moments." And there's typically an increase during election years. "We saw a big spike when Obama was elected"
    https://www.npr.org/2020/11/16/9354...at-record-high-amid-nationwide-rise-in-hate-c

    "Hundreds of incidents of abuse or intimidation apparently motivated by racial hatred have been reported since the November 4 election, though most have not involved violence, said the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    White supremacist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and the Council of Conservative Citizens have seen a flood of interest from possible new members since the landmark election of the first black president in U.S. history.

    "Barack Obama’s election as U.S. president has provoked a rise in hate crimes against ethnic minorities, civil rights groups said on Monday.

    “We have seen a fairly dramatic backlash over the last three or four weeks, since the final weeks of the campaign,” said Mark Potok of the Center, based in Montgomery, Alabama which monitors far right groups.

    “These (incidents) are merely gut level reactions from a lot of people,” Potok said. “There is a substantial subset of white people in America who are boiling angry over this.”
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rise-in-u-s-hate-crimes-idUSTRE4AN81U20081124

    "A majority of Americans say relations between blacks and whites in the US have worsened under President Barack Obama, according to a new CNN/ORC poll.

    The survey results come as an increasing number say discrimination against blacks is a very serious problem and concerns about bias in the criminal justice system remain widespread.

    Overall, 54% say relations between blacks and whites have gotten worse since Obama became president, including 57% of whites and 40% of blacks. That’s up sharply compared with last June, when 43% said things had gotten worse shortly after a racially motivated shooting at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina."
    https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/politics/obama-race-relations-poll
     
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    We all should be afraid, but we should also be afraid of some Democrats who are also racists
     
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    Interesting. Go on....
     
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    there are scary white people, there are scary Black people, and the scariest is politicians who like to stoke the flames.
     
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    I have given some thought to your comment since I read it yesterday and if it helps to clarify my sentiments, I would stand side by side with my Black neighbors and friends if they were ever endangered by racist White gangs / militias.

    I think that you will agree that our perceptions are shaped to some degree both by MSM and our personal experiences.
    It is at least my opinion that MSM draws on sources such as the ADL, NAACP, SPLC(*) etc that tend to exaggerate the threats posed by White militant groups.
    For example, SPLC's spokesman, Mark Potok, openly states, their goal is not to monitor militant White groups as claimed but to "Completely destroy them!"

    I hope you can understand why it is difficult to accept "statistics" cited by advocacy groups that demonstrate such an egregious bias.

    In spite of the unreliable statistics we are frequently fed, I do not think that Black concerns over racist White militancy are irrational or unfounded.

    I do not, however, feel that there are either enough Blacks or Whites who have the stomach for a race war. I base this opinion only on over 70 years of eating, working, living, celebrating and mourning with people of all ethnic backgrounds.

    Among the many things I learned while serving in the US Military is that blood type is far more important than skin color.

    Thanks,





    (*) "Assessing the reliability and accuracy of advocacy group data in hate group research"

    https://commons.lib.jmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1493&context=master201019
    SPLC as Unbiased “Watchdog”
    EXCERPT " Potok makes it very clear that the SPLC, rather than being the unbiased civil rights watchdog group portrayed in its fundraising and public relations materials, is an organization with a definite agenda with regard to these groups.
    In a 2007 speech to an anti-hate crime group, Potok said I don’t think there’s any doubt that these are human beings and it’s a mistake to regard them as just a bunch of sociopaths… though most of them are. Let me say… our aim… sometimes the press will describe us as monitoring hate groups and so on. I want to say plainly that our aim in life is to destroy these groups. Completely destroy them! (Potok, 2007).CONTINUED
     
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    Not just right wing. Left wing too. You cant push the idea that people should identify primarily by race, and that races are fundamentally different and in conflict, and not expect increased numbers of white people to internalize that and play to win. You also can't push that white means racist and not expect more white people to grow into that label.

    The only way to truly defeat white supremacy is to agree that race is a stupid thing to care about, and stand side by side against racial prejudice, which means not labelling "blackness" or "whiteness" or any other race as inherently different and evil.
     
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    Except for Race Hustlers of all ethnic, religious and nationalist groups who foment racial discord for money and fame, I don't understand why race is such a big issue for some people.

    If there is anything redeeming about serving in a combat unit, you learn quickly that blood type is more important than skin color.

    Thanks,
     
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    If one is treated/regarded differently because of ones race, especially negatively, then it it is an issue. is it not?
     
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    politicians should try to bring down the temperature - Trump brought the gas....

    more racists of any race makes us all less safe
     
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    Yes...

    So how about we encourage everyone to stop doing that?

    I'm amazed how so many who label themselves "anti-racist" do exactly what you say above we should not do. Prejudice won't undo prejudice, and racism won't undo racism.
     
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    Of course it's an issue when someone is treated/regarded differently because of one's race, religion or nationality.

    I don't think that I've written anything to suggest otherwise but I don't think that more racism (i.e. affirmative action) is the solution to existing racism.

    I'm being a little hypocritical because I try to treat Blacks with a little more friendliness, kindness and generosity since I've lived in all Black (except for me) neighborhoods.
     
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    me too, I do have 3 mixed grandkids, I remember I thought New London CT, was diverse in mixed hoods!
     
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    Are you saying people should not criticize people, institutions or government about being treated differently because of their race? Where is the anti-racist prejudice?
     
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    You don't think righting past wrongs is the answer?
     
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    Please read the above together and realize the implication of your question.

    It implies that you think the only way to criticize people, institutions or government about being treated differently because of their race is to treat/regard people differently, especially negatively because if their race.

    Care to explain that for us?
     
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