Why can’t we hate men?

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    Space_Time Well-Known Member

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    Do you hate men? Are men responsible for all the world's woes? Should men just step away from power altogether?

     
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    To the author I say, stop treating "men" as monolithic. Are all women the same?

    What I have found is that young women are largely sick of their mother's feminism. It is poor me, blame men, I'm a victim, in perpetuity. Even they are sick of listening to it!

    I've been a supporter of equal rights since I was just a little guy. It was a part of the 70s and my mother was a very outspoken woman. I've never abused a woman but have taken more crap that I care to discuss.

    So my response is, Shut up! And stop feeling sorry for yourselves. Men are not the cause of all your problems - and certainly not ALL men! I always treat women with respect and have adored many. But this poor-me victim complex is repulsive and cowardly.

    Abusive women made my life a living hell. If I hadn't been so brainwashed by the female victim complex, I never would have tolerated it. But I bought into it hook line and sinker because I've been immersed in it my entire life.
     
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    lol wow ....

    "Men" are the only group you are allowed to bunch up and talk smack on now days, it's pretty hilarious actually.

    There is a backlash against this type of thinking though and it is becoming more and more prevalent.
     
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    I believe if you press feminists on this, they say that they don't hate men, but they do hate what men do. Amusingly enough, you'll get the same answer from lesbians when asked why they don't like men.

    For me, I understand where they are coming from. They see a war, see men fighting that war, so naturally they blame men for the war. It's a very childlike way of looking at the world, and I don't begrudge them their naivety. That's actually one of the few feminine characteristics that feminists still maintain.

    The problem is that since the government has been weaponized against men since the 70s, we have psychologically, economically, and legally neutered our own sons. As women mature, they see these emasculated pajama boys and look elsewhere for their biological needs. Strong men from cultures where men have not been neutered are now openly embraced, and perhaps that is our own doing. We have given women enough rope to hang us, which is not something that the men they have chosen to side with would ever allow.
     
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    It's so true....

    My gf went to UCLA and her friends all went there or Berkley and they are HYPER Left wing. She has admitted to me many times over that she has never found any of the guys in that circle attractive and that she needs a more "masculine" person. I have asked her if she thinks it is hypocritical that she thinks one way but wants the other and she freely admits it is true.

    But being masculine is considered "bad" by almost all of her friends. It cracks me up that they think of it as a negative thing when I see it as extremely positive. It's crazy though, masculinity is looked down on by a large group of people in those circles.
     
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    Theres a growing tendency in the world for people to expect a uniformity in values (I blame the pushing of collectivism, but theres plenty of potential 'sources' for this trend). Men and women (in general, of course) have always had a certain disconnect in certain values- namely when it comes to natural, evolutionarily programmed base desires. Men are programmed for exploration, polyamory and both emotional and material independence. Women are programmed more for sedintary living and codependence.

    It used to be generally accepted that men and women were different (because they are, at least in the afforementioned base desires) and men and women were able to accept eachother despite these differences to raise children more efficiently, share work and basically create civilization out of the leisure that resulted from not having to fight for mere survival all the time.

    However, as it becomes more 'normal' for people to expect uniformity of values, men and women are thusly being driven apart, no longer able to accept eachother for these differences.

    As to why women are more commonly experiencing hatred as a result of this divide: women were evolutionarily programmed more for co-existance than men. Women, who historically were burdened with child-raising before the dynamic of the nuclear family became common, saught those hunting/gathering men who were willing to share. The sharing environment facilitated greater survival rates of offspring and this relationship became evolutionarily programmed.

    Women are still evolutionarily programmed to seek a provider/protector, which manifests in the modern age most commonly as a desire for a husband. However the new desire for uniformity of values creates a conflict as men are still programmed to value exploration, independence and sexual polyamory. Its no longer enough that men and women could agree to disagree, put aside their base desires and enjoy the fruits of their physical coexistance. Now, instead, they resent eachother that they dont have uniform values, that they must sacrifice some of their evolutionarily programmed desires in order to coexist. Men, being independent, just revert to their base desires anyway in a 'fine, just leave me alone' manner, leaving women with their base desires of codependence largely unfullfilled -and (not innaccurately) blaming men for it.

    Thats my take on it anyway.
     
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    If we hate men then who will hunt the Buffalo?

    I'm not gonna do it.
     
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    Men are the only gender you’re legally allowed to hate and recieve little flack for it. ;)
     
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    Problem: Limiting hating men to Straight, White, Men only.

    Gay men, no problem
    Men of color, okay too.
     
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    Hah, good point Moi!
     
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    June 8, 2018 Washington post opinion piece by Suzanna Danuta Walters, a professor of sociology and director of the Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Program at Northeastern University, is the editor of the gender studies journal Signs.



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.894b7624a3df



    The piece asserts that all men, not just some, have earned hatred from women. The piece itself is absurd.



    A parody example:







    Do you think she is for real?



    Is it possible she is baiting free speech proponents? If you are a free speech proponent, would this hate piece still cross a line?


    Your thoughts are appreciated.
     
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    I have to wonder if this is a test of pro free speech MRAs? What crosses the line? This piece published in the Washington Post by a tax subsidized wealthy SJW professionally eternally aggrieved pampered privileged college prof?

    A good parody of this:



     
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    Very sad -- hate leads to discrimination up to Presumption of Guilt.

    In my opinion, men should consider man-haters the enemy.

    Some man-haters whine about being ``threatened" online.

    While we do not encourage anything illegal, no man should be concerned with the enemy's well-being. Is my opinion unduly harsh?
     
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    No worries! That's happened to me too, I've searched for things and not found them and then after posting I found them. I sometimes wonder if there's an issue with the search function.
     
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    This issue alone is making me lean further and further to the Right.

    I dont think the Left gets it, I think they are honestly losing just because of this. It's gotta be somewhere around a full 1-2% of the population who is just absolutely sick and tired of this. They won't come out and say it, but yes, it is just an attempt to figure out a way to yell at white men.

    They even admit it, they call it the so called Patriarchy but that is not true at all. The only ire they have is saved only for white men.

    I am honestly shocked that they keep doubling down on this issue, it is singlehanded making them lose the culture war with people like Jordan Peterson leading the way.
     
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    Since I am going to self identify myself as a black, latino, native America, transsexual I DON'T Care
     
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    Yes, YOU people are the most bigoted! :D
     
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    I agree 100%. Trump is like Stalin. He supports guns which cost 33,000 lives per year in USA alone. He is against Welfare -- thus disabled people will suffer. He discriminates against immigrants.

    But too many Liberals (#notallliberals) are like Hitler. NYT published an opinion that all men are innately monstrous. Recently a lady popular on Twitter suggested that all men should be euthanized. Some very prominent Liberal Feminists maintain that all men bear unforgivable innate guilt -- whatever a man does he is still guilty. Huffington Post's editor's New Year resolution was to kill all men.

    In 1941, most Soviet citizens understood that Stalin is much much better then Nazis who also considered many people to be innately monstrous.
     
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    I have found this forum to be one of the most balanced places on the internet. Usually each forum is it's own echo chamber of ranters, with maybe one or two serious poseters thrown in that tend to get yelled at and shouted down.

    While we do have those people here, I think there is the largest gathering of center-left and center-right people willing to give their opinion, it has a very broad spectrum.

    When you see something THIS singularly united, it is obvious to see that they have reached to far in the so called "culture war" and I think it is going to lose them a ton of votes .....

    We will see what happens in the midterms, but I advise Democrats to stay away from this issue in 2020. I see VERY few people that aspire to these ideas along with idiotic constructs like "toxic masculinity" and similar made up phrases.
     
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    I love forums, I mean I honestly love them. It is so fascinating to me to watch history in the making and try to imagine other times in the past and what the hot button topics are. I visit everything from feminist boards to history and science to mma, cars and most recently, tried a few of these Mens Rights Activists stuff.

    While a ton of them are just super pissed off dudes that have trouble understanding or getting women, a looooot of them are good men who have fascinating stories about how the feminist structure has absolutely screwed them.

    Then if you look at the activity, not the subscribers as they are still relatively new, but the active users at a time is consistently over 2,000 - 2,500 users every time I lurk. That is up there with NFL forums and just have of r/science.

    This really will be a death blow for the Democrats if they hold on to these views, let's do the math:

    They immediately will lose the 40% Trump voters.
    Can count on solid 30% Progressives.
    They consistently get around 45% of total mens vote, with this alone that will drop to at least 40.
    Independants will go at least 40% to Trump, so there is another 10-15%.

    There is no way the Democrats win unless they pull back on this anti-men nonsense, Trump makes a massive mistake, or something really radical happens in the world.
     
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    Strange as it is I agree. In modern climate, anyone pointing out Discrimination Against Men will lose social status. Thus, most people with social status do not talk about these issues. People who have low social status have nothing to lose by pointing out these issues.

    In USSR 1978, most of people who criticized Communism were professional criminals -- law abiding people did not want to break Article 70 of Soviet Penal Code.
     
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    They're going to take your progressive card for mansplaining.

    Shut up and do what they tell you.
     
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