Why can't the market deliver healthcare at a low cost?

I did.
Total means all costs.
If you don't think so show me what costs aren't included.

 

Hint: you actually have to demonstrate it, not just say it. This isn't kindergarten

 

It's a limited market and is still going broke

 

Paid for by everyone else this premium went up. Classic socialist redistribution of wealth

 

Mostly premiums went up because of the insurance mandate part of Obamacare (which had major secondary and detrimental effects), the other part of course being the medicaid expansion.

 

I don't disagree but a someone had to pay for subsided insurance for lower income people and that someone was upper income people. Redistribution of wealth.

 

Agreed, but we have always redistributed wealth through taxation. I do sometimes disagree about the methods and the amount though.

 

One thing they don't get, life saving drugs. Too expensive.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...SOOJ-VUwmPMGGhDxNkvmZPZpyBvJlhdb3-Rxiw_WjMjKw

 

Already there is something wrong with the article, even if it had some grain of truth to it, I have a hard time believe anything in it since, Britain DOESN'T have a single payer system. They have a VA like system.

 

That us what governments do, inevitably.

As I noted previously, the inherent inefficiency of the US healthcare system demands systemic change if it is ever to aspire to the relative success of leading democratic nations that demonstrably succeed in covering everyone at around half the cost. Failing to provide coverage for millions, the American taxpayer still picks up the then inflated tab of the uninsured.

Multiple needless duplications - exorbitant executive salaries, payrolls, agency commissions, profit margins, advertising and marketing costs, etc., etc., etc. - dictate that far too large a portion of every healthcare dollar is diverted from paying for actual healthcare. The superfluous profiteers abound.

Standardization of data processing is also a major cost cutter that eliminates the burden of medical providers assailed by a multitude of insurers, each with its own individual demands. Why divert medical providers from practicing medicine to serve insurers?

Of course, relieving American employers of the bureaucratic burden of administering plans now imposed upon them by the State and heavily subsidized by the taxpayer relieves them of a handicap that diverts them from their capitalistic pursuits.

There is no way to resign oneself to the current, inherently wasteful and exorbitant model and achieve significant progress.

 

Of course they do, lol. It’s why they have longer life expectancy than we do. They get better care (including medication) more efficiently, and at a fraction the cost we pay.

 

Which, of course, is single payer. Government. That is what single payer is.

 

LOL, sure. Every single payer system the system becomes more important than the patient.

25 cancer drugs to be denied on NHS
Charities have expressed outrage as the NHS announced plans to stop funding 25 treatments for cancer, including those for breast, prostate and bowel disease

 

No, that isn’t single payer. it helps to actually know something about the topics being discussed. There are basically 3 types of systems. For profit (what we have) single payer (What Canada has) and universal healthcare (which is what Britain has via the NHS)

Both universal healthcare and single payer systems are superior to our for profit system. They both provide better care than we do, at a fraction of the cost of what we pay.

 

The NHS isn’t single payer.

And those are experimental drugs.

 

Wrong again. You are conflating two concepts where yes the government is involved as the same. But they are still nonetheless entirely different.

 

Who pays for it? The VA is single payer. The NHS is single payer. Funding for the UK's NHS comes from tax revenue. Technically speaking, the U.K. model can also be classified as socialized medicine since the government owns most of the hospitals and employs the medical providers.

 

I gave you the definition of total. Can't help you more than that.

 

Limited market?
It's the second largest pool.
Your bank account goes broke if you take out more money than you put in too. But that doesn't change the fact it is much cheaper. How do they do that?

 

The VA is not single payer. This is why you shouldn’t discus topics you know nothing about.

The va, and NHS are universal healthcare systems. Not single payer.

 

Who is the payer? Come on, you have lost this argument since they are both single payer.

Single-payer healthcare is a type of universal healthcare financed by taxes that covers the costs of essential healthcare for all residents, with costs covered by a single public system (hence 'single-payer').

 

If you don’t know what words mean, you shouldn’t discus topics about those words. VA and NHS are not single payer systems. Sorry.

 

Yes, the VA is single payer.

 

So you can't even read. Fascinating.

 

No it isn’t.