Why can't the market deliver healthcare at a low cost?

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    So, now you’re saying that existing professionals, all with degrees, should be advising and training people who don’t need a degree. Guess what they would all advise.
    ..” only allow those with law/med degrees to be certified.”
    That’s convoluted.
     
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    I have advanced education and licensing and I would advise changes in the current infrastructure to not include college requirements due to my lived experiences and what I found useful in my professional journey. Once through the type of process I'd describe, these new professionals would be professionals that also get to shape how one gets credentials.
     
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    You’d get laughed at. Colleges are the private sector insurance over govt overreach that qualified people do our work. Behavioral Science all backs up the learning experiences of modern colleges and universities.
    You, are unscientific.
    Your personal experience means nothing compared to the experience of multitudes of others. Decisions are built upon the consensus of many, not the unfounded wishes of one.
     
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    What does that mean.
     
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    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    It means, rather than my experiences meaning nothing, they are something. It is not unscientific to note that sending ones 20+ years in school is wasteful of life and money to get training. OJT and cet tests would be more efficient and bring down healthcare costs.
     
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    What brings down healthcare costs is selling healthy food to Americans and not s.h.it.
     
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    Sooooo, your advanced education does or does not include a degree in what ?
     
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    I'll remember that the next time I'm walking past the vegetable aisle to get to the beer aisle.
     
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    Nothing wrong with beer, as long as that’s not all you consume.
     
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    I'd rather not dox myself. Suffice it to write that I have that education and I have an unrelated cert that must be renewed every 3 years. My day job is using the cert, not the college degree.
     
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    So, your contention is that a college education did nothing to help “you” ?
    “Even more impressive is the lifetime earnings potential of higher education graduates .......... $2.3 million for an associate’s degree, $3.4 million for a bachelor’s degree, and $3.8 million for a master’s degree. Compare that to $1.8 million for a high school diploma and the disparity becomes quite apparent.”

    Nearly twice as much for a master’s over a high school education !
     
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    You are repeating yourself. These are self selecting groups. Someone that has what it takes to get into MIT would likely do just as well in life if they took a different path. To save time and money, and bring down costs (including medical costs if we can come up with a better, faster, less expensive and more efficient way to become a medical doctor) we need to work upon creating these new paths. OJT, licenses, apprenticeships. That will make for a better, more efficient, happier, more productive society.
     
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    Laughable retort. I guess facts are totally irrelevant to you.
    The facts bear repeating. You have no references whatsoever.
    The entire nation values higher education because....it’s an important safe guard against govt over reach. Higher education and degreed institutions are a necessary private protection against the loss of our personal freedoms.

    It’s no coincidence that we are the most free nation in the world and also have the greatest number of institutes of higher learning. We spread freedom by educating the world through our colleges and universities. It’s sad you don’t get it.
     
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    Erm, we're dying. We can tell by disappearing white people that Americans are experiencing the great replacement but non-whites shouldn't get to cocky: they'll be replaced too but it will be hard to tell as they will be replaced by people that are also not white. One of the reasons we're going extinct is we spend way too much of our formative years wasting time and money in these indoctrination factories. People are old and broke when they should be pairing up, getting married, buying homes and having kids. BTW: To practice medicine, law, trades: does one not require licenses provided by the state in accordance with state law? That it is the law, legislated by government, that creates higher education requirements. It's a racket. And it is pushing up health care costs.
     
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    The truth is, you sound like a white supremest living in a country where there aren’t enough whites to fill the 300,000 vacant engineering jobs. Rather then open education to everyone so the best people regardless can then educated themselves, let’s let whites get a free pass. You’re transparent.
     
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    Possibly, when you clip my statement that way. I encourage anyone reading through this thread to read what dagosa is actually responding to. The system, as it is, takes too long, costs too much and is wasting peoples' lives while bringing any people, regardless of race, to extinction. I think it a defeatist position to think we cannot do better at training our young so that they are not old and broke before they can begin their professional careers. Doing so will, I think, radically bring down costs, including medical costs.
     
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    Are you claiming that our system of government is so permissive, it’s bringing the white race to extinction ?
    The sad part of that inference is, the white race is still the most prevalent race in the US. You’re now lumping Latinos, blacks Asians etc, altogether as one competing “race” of people, with out concern that some, may not even be races.
    Really, all you’re doing is exposing these comments as those of white nationalism.
    Each time you try to explain it away, the deeper you fall into the rabitt hole that reveals your true intent. It’s called apartheid.
     
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    It that isn’t the babbling of white fear mongering, then it’s certainily a great imitation of what you could guess one hears at a KKK rally.
     
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    Sure, read it all . It’s even more incriminating.
     
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    Because, without a bit of sense, you write that it is so.
     

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