Why can't we have a childless gay marriage?

Everything is in the title. I believe that gays should have the exact same administrative rights as straight people and that for this reason a civic marriage is a good thing. This way all the administrative stuff that applies to straight couples will automatically apply to gay couples, making any kind of discrimination impossible.

But I also believe that gays shouldn't raise children. Gays can't have children, so it's unnatural for them to raise children IMO. Besides, for me a child raised by gay parents is the equivalent of a child raised by a single parent in terms of psychology, I was raised by a single parent so I know what I'm talking about, I can easily identify to the testimonies of children raised by gays. And we don't allow single parents to adopt children because it's less stable for the child.

Right now, there isn't a single country in the world that allows gay marriage but forbids gay adoption. While this is unquestionably the best solution to the issue IMO.

Why?

 

What I find disturbing is that you believe who someone is married to has any affect on their ability to be a parent.

 

A gay couple has the exact same problem as a single parent in terms of psychological stability for a child.

A single parent can be an amazing parent, it doesn't change the fact that single parenthood is viewed as bad for children.

Children need a male and a female role model. Simple psychology. A child raised by a single parent lacks this so single parenthood is often seen as an unstable environment for a child to grow up in. Same for a gay couple.

 

So you want to outlaw single parents too?

 

Single parents aren't allowed to adopt children.

When they raise children it's because there's no other choice.

 

What in the hell makes you think gay people can't have children? They do all the time. They have them with past partners, they use the same technology that many heterosexual couples use to fertilize eggs, they use use surrogates, just like a number of straight couples.

Can't help that your childhood was screwed up, but not all parents are inept - gay or straight. Your presumption is asinine.

 

Hate to burst your bubble there, but single parents can, and do, adopt children in the US.

 

1 parent + 1 parent = two parents, unless they both have penises then 1 parent + 1 parent = 1 parent

No it is not the same 'pschology' There are two different people providing a stable environment and income, two different personalities to learn from, and learn to understand, with different strengths and weaknesses and different approaches to parenting, to life, to morality with two sets of grandparents, two sets of friendships and siblings and experiences on which to draw upon to raise this child. t There are plenty of male and female role models out there with an extended family, godparents, best friends, neighbors, teachers, coaches . It does not always come from parents, and we don't want only two role models for our kids.

 

I was saying that this is unnatural. In vitro fecundation obviously has the same problem.

So you insult me and then strawman me completely.
My childhood wasn't screwed up, I simply pointed out the problem of being raised by single parents. It has nothing to do with the parent in question being incompetent. My mother was great, I just think a child deserves a father and a mother for his stability.

You're not bursting anything, I'm French. Single parents can legally ask for adoption in France but this is heavily frowned upon and it hardly ever happens.

Apparently it's frowned upon in America too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parent#History_of_single_parent_adoptions

"In 1968, the Child Welfare League of America stated that married couples were preferred, but there were "exceptional circumstances" where single parent adoptions were permissible.[80] Not much has changed with the adoption process since the 1960s."

 

1) if you want a same-sex wedding and have no children, marry someone of the same sex and have no children

and

2) stop blaming your single parent for whatever is going on in your life you don't like. Part of being an adult is taking ownership of your own shortcomings and address them instead of blaming others for them.

 

You're comparing 1960 America to today's America ... wow - time to update your caveman computer. There are no laws against single parent adoption in France (age only). There are no laws against single parent adoption in America. Gay women can conceive naturally with a male friend - happens all the time. Gay males can naturally procreate with a female friend and then have their gay partner adopt. Happens fairly often.

I'm afraid your 1960 point of view is a bit dated.

 

And I get insulted for presenting a point of view contrary to the politically correct dogma that "gays adopting children is awesome and if you disagree you're just a homophobe with outdated beliefs". Go figure. Again a totalitarian view from the progressive left : "get in line or you're a nazi".

Also, I don't have childhood issues and I'm not blaming anyone for my shortcomings (which by the way I don't have), so your attempts of framing it like I'm the problem are pretty much a low blow. I was simply pointing out my personal experience of the similarity between being raised by a gay couple and being raised by a single parent.

Essentially society is taking this direction of "the rights of gays to feel exactly like straight people are more important than the rights of children to be raised in a stable environment". And I think this will come back to bite us.

You're right and I'm wrong, because it's the current year.

 

And just how much 'experience' do you have monitoring the quality of parenting in gay couples? make sure that sample size is adequate to find patterns and to measure results. I am hoping for reputable study or two. You are currently dealing with a gay man who has raised three children, by the way.

 

Stable environment? There is simply no guarantee that a male/female couple won't be abusive and terrible parents. There is no reason why a gay couple cannot be be preferable in those conditions. Your bigotry is tainting your judgement. You say yourself that you had a wonderful childhood growing up with a single parent - so your assertion that there is a problems with single parents is put to rest by your own experience.

 

It is a proven fact in studies that children do much better in life when they have both a male and female parent in their lives.

 

Prove it, because I have read studies of same sex parenting couples that find no measurable detriment to the children.

 

Wish granted. A google search was fast and easy.

Let's take this for thought to get things started. First why they need a "father".

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordeba...er-off-with-a-father-than-without-one?mcubz=3

And here you go again:

http://www.cfcidaho.org/why-children-need-male-and-female-parent

 

Here is some more info for you with 30 years of research. The link has much more information.

http://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/marriage/marriage/30-years-of-research

 

That's not a study, it's an opinion piece with no scientific studies to back it up.

 

Gay and lesbian couples in this study have negative outcomes on children. Why am I not surprised?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/10/study-children-fare-better-traditional-mom-dad-fam/

 

There is a long list of links on google. I have posted more websites. How many more would you like me to post?

 

Find actual studies with actual comparitve numbers. Right now you just have opinion pieces from religious web sites.

 

Even Obama stated kids need a "father". Every study I see shows kids do better with both a mom and a dad.

http://dailysignal.com/2013/03/15/social-science-confirms-kids-need-married-moms-and-dads/

And on last final site for those that still don't believe the facts:

"It's scientific: kids need not just two parents but a mother and father."
https://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/the_indispensable_dad/

 

LOL I did not know the washington times was a religious site? You are the first person in my entire time that I have been here that got me to use a smiley in one of my posts. Obviously you never read all of my posts and are just making up nonsense to argue with me but nice try.

 

And I went to the 'home page' Family Policy Alliance .com "Join us for an Idaho where God is honored, religious freedom flourishes, families thrive, and life is cherished"

then I went to that New York times thinking I was going to the news section, but no. I was sent to the Opinion page and this fatherhood opinion piece is written by W. Bradford Wilcox, the director of the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia, is the author of “Gender and Parenthood: Biological and Social .

That's when I went to Wiki to learn about this man. "In July 2012 a newly published study titled "How different are the adult children of parents who have same-sex relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study"[10] prompted much criticism regarding its methodology and allegations that it was influenced by two politically conservative organizations that helped fund the study.[11] Later, James Wright, editor of Social Science Research, identified Paul Amato and W. Bradford Wilcox as two of the three anonymous peer reviewers who vetted the scientific methodology of this study." He did his own anonymous 'peer review'!

Next time, pray for more credibly looking sources. I am done with you.