Why Conservative Republicans Secretly Want Trump Impeached

Anyone who believes that Donald Trump is either conservative or a real Republican must be living on another planet. While conservative leaders in Congress restrain their criticism of Donald Trump, they can't help but signal that they would like to see him gone before he wrecks their movement. Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio, Jeff Flake, Rand Paul, and Lindsey Graham, to name a few, have all been restrained in their criticism of President Trump, but they do a poor job of hiding their disdain for him.

In the unlikely event that Donald Trump serves a full four-year term, the Republican Party will be a shambles when the next presidential election rolls around. The Democratic tidal wave moving into Congress is likely to be larger than the one that occurred at the end of George W. Bush's unsuccessful presidency. One out of three Americans may approve of Donald Trump, but two out of three do not.

How can the Republicans avoid election disaster? By getting rid of Donald Trump as soon as they can. If the unpopular Trump is gone, Mike Pence will take over the presidency. How good a job Mr. Pence would do is open to question. Until now, he has mainly contented himself with standing behind Donald Trump's right shoulder during photo ops and has shown no sign of possessing leadership quality. Nevertheless, most Republicans feel that the sooner Mike Pence assumes the presidency, the greater the chance that conservative Republicans will have of retaining power three and a half years from now. Not only would Mike Pence finish Donald Trump's term in office, he would be eligible to serve two terms of his own. Mike Pence has the potential to be our longest-serving president since Franklin Roosevelt. For conservative Republican politicians, that would be a dream come true.

Of course, Mike Pence is not a sure bet. Gerald Ford did not do well when he took over the presidency from the disgraced Richard Nixon. Jimmy Carter trounced him in the 1976 election. However, most conservative Republican politicians would much rather hope for a successful Pence presidency than stick with the disastrous presidency that we now have.

 

Carter beat Ford in 1976 by 2 points, 50-48. Ford was not "trounced". And if the election was held two weeks later, Ford would have won. He was gaining ground throughout October.

 

Carter beat Ford by 57 electoral votes. I thought we all learned in the last election that the popular vote doesn't count.

 

One in 3 approve and 2 in 3 do not? His approval is at a low right now - yet you've somehow managed to just *poof* double the spread. Anyone with Google can easily see the RCP poll average. Cherry picked polls ar echerry picked.

Again, Trump is at a low point at the moment - but this just goes to highlight the partidan approach those on the left that had recently. I seem to recall Obama having a similar RCP average at at least one point. Hell, really low approval for Obama led to the 2010 and 2014 elections, some of the biggest wins for Republicans since before anyone here was born. And yet somehow, after those colossal defeats, Obama still managed to come back and win 2012, and to regain his own popularity (and approval) before leaving office.

The Republicans counted their eggs before they hatched back then. And Democrats like the OP are doing that now.

 

Wait, you just learned how our elections work?

 

That's three states ... Texas, Ohio, Arkansas.

It was so much closer than Nixon-McGovern in '72 or Reagan-Carter in '80.

 

Get out your calculator and add one plus two. If you manage to push the right buttons, you'll get three.

 

Your assessment does a poor job of distinguishing conservative Republicans from establishment Republicans. For instance of the six senators in your first paragraph only one is actual conservative -- Rand Paul, and one is halfway -- Marco Rubio. None of the others are conservative although they dress up as conservatives in election time. (By the way the jury is still out on Trump.) This is important since only the true conservatives win elections. Since the conservatives got trounced in 1964 they have been solely responsible for any big wins since: conservatives - 6 (1980, 1984, 1988 (maybe), 2010, 2014, 2016), establishment republican losses or squeak by wins - 7 (1976, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012), though Nixon was a big establishment winner in 1968 and 1972. The establishment republicans haven't won big in 45 years and they will not win in 2018 or 2020. Trump might or might not be a conservative but it was the conservatives that gave him the win and will likely do it again, with or without the party being in shambles. They were not in shambles in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012. To rephrase your conclusion, most establishment [not conservative] Republican politicians would much rather hope for a [un]successful Pence presidency than stick with the disastrous presidency that we now have. First a Pence presidency will not be successful since he will not be accepted by Democrats as a legitimate president either, and secondly, Pence would get his butt kicked in 2020.

 

I take your point that a theoretical distinction can be made between establishment and conservative Republicans, although in real life the distinction no longer exists. It's been decades since there has been an establishment Republican who was not also conservative. We are no longer living in the era of moderate, establishment Republicans such as Nelson Rockefeller, Jacob Javits, or even Richard Nixon.

Then, I think you left the realm of factual argument and wandered off into disorganized speculation. As to how Pence would be accepted as president, your guess is as valid as mine. I personally have no idea.

 

Do you even google bro? I'm having a hard time even finding the most cherry picked poll that shows the figures you claim - which it's increasingly apparent now you just made up.

 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

OK, if you want to nitpick, 36 percent approval is a hair above 1 our of 3, which would be 33-1/3 percent. 58 percent disapprove would be three out of five instead of two out of three, but it's in the ballpark. The exact numbers depend on which poll you pick and on which day the poll was taken, but my statement that one out of three Americans approve of Trump's job performance and the other two out of three do not is in the ballpark. Satisfied, nitpicker?

Maybe you should try some more intelligent googling before you accuse people of making things up.

 

He's going to serve 4 years, I've never seen the republicans whine like this after Obama was elected in 2008. For GOD SAKE MOVE ON!!!

 

Trump isn't a cookie cutter Republican, or even a conservative. I use to think if he would have ran against Shillary as one, he may have lost. Even though, we're finding out how incompetent Shillary's campaign was ran, I'm starting to think any of the other republicans would have beat her as well.

 

Bottom line... Trump is conservatives' third party. We elected him to drain the swamp... which means RINOs too. He ran as a Republican because thats the only way he could win. Yes, some Republicans would love to see him disappear, but among Trump voters, 88% would vote for him again.

The OP is merely wishful thinking.

 

Which means that 88% of the 46.4% of the people who voted for Trump would do so again. Do the math (an almost-forgotten skill), and that's 41% of the electorate. Even with our antiquated electoral college system, that would not get him re-elected.

 

The problem for the Democrats was that there were no strong candidates in the primary. Bernie Sanders stressed an important issue, the widening gap between the rich and the rest of us, but it was his only issue. As to the third primary candidate, does anyone remember his name? (Googling it is cheating!) Hillary Clinton, a weak candidate, won the primary almost by default.

 

In this imaginary election, wed have to know who his opponent is to make a credible prediction. Also have to consider how many votes Dems will lose when illegals and dead people can no longer vote.

 

If he sworn in before Jan. 20th, 2019, then Pence is only eligible to serve one full term of his own as president.

 

That is probably because Obama was a serious, competent, politician.

Trump, on the other hand, is a thoroughly UNPREPARED IMBECILE (whose election was a grave mistake).

 

I disagree. A true conservative follows the Constitution precisely, abhors large centralized government, and disdains excessive spending, too great taxation, and excessive borrowing. by the federal government. Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham, and a host of others do not come close to this and in fact, especially in McConnell's case, campaign and battle Republican conservatives as much as they do Democrats. Boehner destroyed the conservative caucus in the House. McCain refers to them as wacko birds. And on and on.
If any of the Republicans in the primaries or Pence had won the election they would get precisely they same hatred and overthrow efforts that Trump does.

 

He's bringing manufacturing jobs back, Fox Conn announced today they would build a plant employing thousands of workers. If the dems talked about bringing jobs back, they would win, it's that simple.

 

Agree, except Hillary Clinton was expected to become the next Barack Obama. The darlin of the Democrats. The DNC turned a blind eye to her baggage, same as they did to Barack Hussain Obama and expected the voters to do the same. Worked for Obama, crashed and burned for Hil.

Six months in, I don't see any sign that Democrats have figured out why Trump won.

 

I'll agree with the latter but not the two formers

 

And the Democrats widely believed that they "owed" Hillary Clinton for being a "good soldier" in the Obama Administration.

To an extent they were right. She did do her job and carry out his policies uncritically.

 

No doubt Hillary moved to next on their list as soon as she lost the primary to Barack. Thats the main reason she was a good little soldier!

After a BLACK man won, how could they lose with a white WOMAN?? They think in terms of race and gender and by golly it's time for woman to win! They just didnt think in terms of a Trump.