Why Democrats children turn out to be poorer than republicans kids

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When you listen intently to Democrats, they spend a long time blasting those making money.
    Their kids have to be negatively influenced.
    They waste time blasting corporations.
    Corporations will hire your kids. My grandson for example finished the university as an Engineer and Facebook hired him in his Sr. year for an outlandish sum of money. They hooked him then. His Sr Year Facebook paid him around $60,000 as a student. Today after working for Facebook for around a year or so, he is up to $250,000 including his bonuses.
    Can you see a person hating corporations actually liking Facebook? And Facebook is not special.
    Fortunately my grandson has a dad who is a Republican.
    But take his younger brother who is more a follower of my daughter who votes for Democrats. He moved out of CA to NM where he changes tires on cars. He was planning to fly airplanes for a living. In NM he is virtually out of reach now. There he is paid about $17 per hour and only that much because in CA that is what the tire firm paid him. So when he transferred to the same tire firm in NM, he was able to get CA wages. His fellow workers make $12 hour as that is normal in NM.
    Democrats bash Republican presidents daily. Naturally their children so hate republicans the kid may never recover.

    When Democrat presidents take an action, such as Biden did to open the border to Mexico, the Democrats play the blame game by by saying it is Trumps fault. This teaches kids to blame the wrong person.

    Anyway, for Democrats kids, please learn. Do what my grandson did and get a good university education. I still hope his brother follows his dream and flies commercial jets for a living.
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting; both my kids do not belong to any political party since my influence on them is strong and they believe both parties are totally corrupt; my daughter graduated from college (while in college she was an intern for a news agency and they paid her $20 per hour) when she graduated they hired her and she makes 66,000 not including overtime yearly. My son never went to college but upon leaving the military was appointed town clerk where he lives and is paid 86,500 yearly. While both do not belong to any political party, they generally vote democrat since they believe that it is the lesser of two evils. Goes to show that not every person who votes democrat is going to starve. Now if I could only convince them to vote third party.......
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My daughter is a recent graduate of University of Hawaii as a Registered Nurse. I never spent time politicizing her and her mom had more control over her and she refused to vote at all. She is now making $90,000 starting at a hospital in Hawaii. I am trying to back coach her into voting republican. She is less likely to vote for any person.
    As to corruption, if you think two parties are corrupt, imagine all parties are corrupt.
    I believe it depends on the person running for office and not due to a party.

    If a man robs banks that is his first interest and not who is screwing around in Government.
     
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    not true, why do you ask, are you richer than I am... I do not know
     
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    Wow, me thinks that you are judging your grandkids by their politics and what you deem as "successful". When you have family get-togethers, do you praise the one who makes $250,000, but not the one who makes $17 and hour? If I were you, I'd keep politics out of such family matters, because one of your grandkids may become resentful, and rightfully so.
     
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    I think it's possible to form a new party and put safeguards in place to minimize corruption. Will the country ever form and support a third party? Not if the democrats and/or republicans can prevent it.
     
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    I dont like corporations or the govt, and im not a D or an R. I guess thats why I work in the sewer and sit at the bottom of 'lower middle class' ... and still live like a F-ing king!
     
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    In upper income areas there is a lot of “competitive child rearing” going on with parents who have the money to keep shoveling money into (in my case: sports and STEM). Competitive swimming, water polo, soccer and soccer coaches, baseball and baseball camp, etc. Then comes the “calculus club, science club, SAT weekends and retreats, tutoring for tests. It never ends.
    Parents are competing with parents for the “best” experiences to get them into a top college and a six figure entry job.
    Will my kids and grandkids thank me or their parents? Nope. Why? Because that is the only life they have ever known. And they will marry kids just like them, and hopefully raise kids just like them.
     
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    I am not sure what your source is for your post but I would certainly like to see it. I think as you noted one of the best ways to work towards higher income is through education or training. Whether it is nursing or engineering like your children or trades like automotive or electrician people need to build expertise. I am not sure if one party has a clear lead in that area. I have never seen stats on the salaries of children of parents of a particular party. There are lots of studies that seem to indicate that people with higher education tend to be more progressive but they never mention the political affiliation of the parents. I wouldn't be surprise if parents that have greater wealth are more likely to encourage their children to seek higher education but that is just speculation.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When you use the term progressive, surely you mean communist like?

    My remarks are based on the way Democrats talk about the wealthy. How bad they are. How they should be punished by paying more taxes. For whom? Taxed by Democrats for whom?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great advice were I a loyal Democrat. But you assumed wrong.
     
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    and before you get upset consider the source of this graphic

    https://stjohnsny.org/breaking-the-cycle-of-poverty/
    It goes on
    You know that is the sort of Christianity I do agree with
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You think and talk like a republican does.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The nature of Democrats is to be very severely authoritarian.
    The above is just one example.
    "You do this because I tell you to." Typical for Democrats.
     
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    Where is there any allusion to telling you what to do in my post?

    I posted a very Christian message - although not Christian myself this is one I can agree with. It shows the poverty cycle. Tell me, whose policies are more likely to lift people out of poverty the right or the left?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Take me for instance.
    I am ultra practical. Here is what I mean. I sized up all parties long ago. I noticed who kept promises. I further noted who took the word of those of all parties. I noticed when I was a Democrat that my then party kept making promises. But those were always lies.
    I next examined the Libertarians. Why not them due to liberty? Turns out few support them. All other groups had promises. But promises not able to be kept.
    I gave up and changed to Republican. Trump for instance was excellent at keeping promises.
    Biden is a mistake made by naive voters.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Republicans by example. And we teach others that living the freedom life is wonderful.

    In your remarks it looked authoritarian to me. Like our typical American Democrats.
    Christian messages need not be apologized for or denied. They carry excellent lessons for us all.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I like Government that works like the founders intended for the most part. They allowed or fomented some bad things but those are now long gone. I like corporations as job providers. They also provide goods and services of enormous value to America.
     
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    Not at all. I have both very conservative and progressive views. For example I am a huge believer in free market capitalism. I believe your average Trump supporter has way more socialistic views of the economic policy than I do. I support strong immigration laws. I general hate the monolithic size of government and the swampiness of it BUT at the same time I have very progressive views on things like gay marriage, medical coverage, education, science etc...

    I in no way support people like AOC and their extreme views on income redistribution. I do not believe progressive thought does either. We live in a country that does have a progressive tax structure and regardless which side of the political spectrum you are on the vast majority support it. So conceptually the argument is not how to tax but how much to tax.

    Just ask your son. He works for Facebook. I know a few programmers that went to Facebook and I am pretty sure he will tell you the majority of the people their have pretty progressive or liberal views. Ask him if they support AOC's taxation policies and my guess would be the majority would not. My guess is they would tell you they do not mind paying their fair share or even a bit more but they would not support any excessive tax changes like she hints at.
     
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    Lols!! No that is not authoritarianism but then although not Christian I do understand how giving a helping hand it a core tenet of the religion.

    But tell me how “teaching” someone to “live a life of freedom” helps when they do not have a bread crust or their daily intake consists of “Oatmeal, No meal and Miss a meal”
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The term progressive to me is what communists promise or socialists promise.
    AOC is an immature female who perhaps never will change or learn what is true.
    I will ask my grandson who he voted for. I will see if he can describe his fellow workers.

    My daughter is his mom. I raised her to be a Democrat. When she was a young person, I was then a very loyal Democrat.

    Progressives are not liberal at all. They are always trying to tell the rest of us we are wrong to favor freedom.
    Even you seem happy with the so called progressive taxes.

    I see the right way to tax as on sales only. There we need not keep books to tell the IRS what we earn. We can spend and they get their take. It works well here in Idaho where I am taxed on groceries that when in CA I was not. And they have a rebate program on those taxes.
     
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    Everything is relative. I know children who are incredibly successful making more than $500,000 per year whose parents are Democrats. I know children who have humble jobs making less than $30,000 per year whose parents are Republicans. And everything in between. White blue collar workers who are lower middle class are often Republicans, while highly paid lawyers are often Democrats. Highly paid medical doctors are about half and half regarding affiliation with the Democrats or the Republicans. Of course, there are also corporate managers who are often Republicans, and lowly paid minorities who are often Democrats. It's hard to make sweeping generalizations regarding socio-economic success just based on party affiliation.

    Higher income correlates with higher education. Parents' ability to push kids through school, and to vigorously support and request good school performance of their kids, likely correlates a lot more with good paying jobs than whether parents are Democrats, Independents, or Republicans.

    Your original post seems filled with stereotypical thinking. Even if you were to find a correlation, exceptions would still be numerous.
     
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    Are you saying you do not support a progressive tax system? Almost everyone in the country does. I can't think of a western country that does not use a progress tax system. The only country that comes to mind is Hong Kong when they used to have a flat rate tax of 15% but I am not sure that still exist now that they are part of China.
     
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    I totally disagree with you here. I supported Trump in 2016. I made a list of 4-5 policy promises that were important to me. He failed everyone of them. Before 2016 which of his campaign promises were MOST important to you? How many did he keep?
     
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    I can tell you that when Trump was elected I said I'd see how he did in the first one hundred days; he did keep some of his promises, however he didn't come thru on some major ones. I'm still waiting for that "wonderful medical plan that you all are just gonna love" that he promised us; The wall was the biggest promise he didn't keep. You may recall that Mexico was going to pay for every penny of it; the Mexican president kept his promise to the people of Mexico that they were not going to pay for the wall and you know what? They didn't pay a penny towards it and instead the American taxpayers ended up footing the bill for whatever was built. He claimed that he'd do great things for unions, well he supported a national Right-To-Work (which almost all unions look at with disgust) law which would have been the end of labor unions as an effective force in the labor industry.

    There were other promises made that were not kept. That being said, he did sign a lot of executive orders, some which it was felt hurt working people and retiree's. The rich were taken care of although I don't know if he publicized it much but the tax laws were revised (which the average Joe I believed received an average savings of $60 monthly) it was looked upon as a promise kept, so technically he did keep that promise. When running for office he claimed he'd be so busy he'd have no time for golf, yet played over 285 daytime games (more than his predecessor played and was criticized for it). Anyhow I soured rather quickly on Trump deciding he was like most politicians telling people what they wanted to hear as long as they donated and pulled the lever for his name on election day. Hence my desire for a third party to be formed and hopefully someday be able to field a viable candidate for president.
     

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